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Good to see that most of the instances have caught up

LW announced they are planning to migrate in the coming weeks: !lemmyworld@lemmy.world

  • OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    11 months ago

    What’s LW’s reason for staying on 18.5? Is it client compatibility? Not looking to grab pitchforks, genuinely curious.

    Edit: Nvm, from https://lemmy.ml/post/11122503:

    We do not have a hard date set for when we will be upgrading as of yet, as we have about 7 associated task items that go along with this upgrade for things we need to double-check and confirm there will be no breakage.

    Wish they would go into more detail, but ya

    • maegul (he/they)@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      11 months ago

      Yea it’s one of those awkward things I suppose, where the instance (.world) is big enough that its operational concerns are kinda at odds with where lemmy as a project is up to.

      With that many users, who also kinda expect a more reddit-style experience AFAICT, a certain amount of professionalism, stability and, in effect, slowness, is expected. And that’s great.

      But meanwhile lemmy is a small essentially underfunded project doing its best with a small group (2 main and a few voluntary on the side), which means bugs and then bug fixes and tweaking until things work … all of which works well over a distributed array of smaller instances so that no single node is a major let alone fatal point of failure.

      And so we’ve got this situation now where you could be critical of how lemmy.world relates to the bug fixing and testing load on the lemmy-verse. lemmy.world is likely the best funded instance (last I checked their donations exceed their infra needs) and yet the job of testing and working through bugs is offloaded onto all of the other smaller instances while they wait until it’s all been ironed out. I don’t know if it’s a fair critique in the end, but it certainly seems to be there and worth considering.

      • Blaze@discuss.onlineOPEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Interesting point.

        On the other side, as LW is more cautious about updates, that might have suggested some users to switch to instances that were more up-to-date.

        But indeed I agree that people should be more spread, having 25% of Lemmy on one instance is less than ideal: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

        • Serinus@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          11 months ago

          I disagree about the 25% bit. Federation as a feature is overstressed. It’s very important, but it doesn’t have much of an effect on the user experience.

          Federation is the freedom to get away from shitty admins and mods. Federation is the opportunity to revolt.

          But you don’t need to be in a constant state of revolution. Just having the opportunity doesn’t mean you have to use it.

          • Blaze@discuss.onlineOPEnglish
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            11 months ago

            To each their own. Recently, the issue with lemmy.ml defederating ani.social shows that those issues are still very present today.

      • GONADS125@feddit.deEnglish
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        11 months ago

        Just chiming in to say they lost my donations and me as a user for federating with Threads. I’m over on feddit.de now because they’re the only instance I could find defederated from Threads and the tankies.

        Edit: Have to edit this comment because I’m laughing at all of the butthurt users who are downvoting me because they don’t like my personal decision.

          • GONADS125@feddit.deEnglish
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            11 months ago

            It’s different on other platforms (like mastodon) but on lemmy, it only blocks posts from the blocked instance. Users from Threads would still be interacting in comments with the user who blocks their instance.

            Regardless, I believe they should be defederated by instance admins on ethical grounds. Meta/FB have run unethical, uninformed experiments on their users, including purposefully inducing depression in their users.

            The fact that Meta has assisted in genocide should be grounds for defederation by instances which claim to protect and care about their users.

            Meta’s platforms have also played a key role in radicalizing users, and they purposefully marketed Threads to far-right extremists.

            Here’s my argument with citations

            There’s also good arguments to defederate and block them from the fedivers based on EEE.

            If an instance’s admins claim they care about protecting their users and providing a safe, healthy community but are federated with Threads, then they are either uninformed or liars.