Are people on the left saying this?
The 2 things I’ve really not liked about biden is he
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Continued trump era boarder policies significantly harming refugees.
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Has doggedly supported israel in their current genocide campaign.
Other wise his admin has ranged from pretty good to business as usual. 1000% better than trump, but also with some glaring problems.
2 is huge, but you forgot that he busted the railroad union which directly led to ohio burning down
I’m no fan of Biden (though I did and will vote for him) but that’s not what happened. He did not bust the unions, the 12 unions still exist. He broke a strike, which is the intended purpose of the Railway Labor Act of 1926.
The law he put before congress to force a resolution to the three year negotiation deadlock would have guaranteed the workers 7 days of sick leave per year (they wanted 15). It passed the House but the Senate knocked it down to 1 day, with a 14% immediate pay increase and an additional 25% over the next five years.
Biden continued negotiate for the unions to get the sick days. They don’t all have them yet, but at this point 61% of the workers do have 4 short notice paid sick days with the option to trade three personal days for an additional 3 short notice sick days. Negotiations are still happening, the Biden administration is still part of them.
The Ohio derailment disaster was not a result of worker error (or lack of sick days) but lack of maintenance regulations, which was not something that was being negotiated at that time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute
Beau of the Fifth Column, Let’s Talk About Biden, the Rails and Sick days… Youtube link
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“Stopped second Cold War and arguably saved democracy in Europe”
Let’s not get ahead of ourselves on either count.
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One of the panels literally says Executive Order #…
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You have valid complaints here, none of which were originally stated. You said:
Brainwash bullshit, yikes. Even if these things were true it was congress that passes laws and enacts legislation and not the president dictating this shit.
All I was trying to do was point out that this statement is blatantly false with evidence from the original meme.
I agree with most of your sentiment, EOs are not long term solutions. You can’t say that the president is not responsible for them though.
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Could someone link me the bar graph in the bottom most panel?
It would be nice to refer to when this is brought up by relatives.
Thanks!! It’s appreciated
His genocide makes all of that irrelevant. Would you vote for hitler just because he had good tax policies?
Welp I guess Lemmy was nice before the bots inevitably showed up.
bots are when you have opinions that genocide is bad, got it.
Joe “brown person slayer” Biden
You missed:
- Enabled and bankrolled the slaughter of over 27,000 Palestinians.
- Bombed Iraq, Syria and Yemen
Yep, personally pulled the trigger for every single kill. Cackling maniacally while he did so.
Sit on a pike, then pogo on it.
Can you say this more directly?
shitlib take
I believe it’s spelled
ShItLiBtRuMp2o24!!dont get me wrong bidens just going to maintain the neolib status quo which is comparatively marginally better than wannabe hitler but i refuse to line up to a suck an old warmongers dick whos enabling a genocide in palestine just because this system is broken and fucking sucks.
I don’t know if anyone is asking for fellatio, just a vote for sanity
I mean, OP’s post is a bunch of gluck gluck 9000 and meatriding, so that does seem to be the expectation
Meatriding 🙄
Yes, keep riding that dementia hog trickdacy
Keep on snackin on doctorskaya and orange glazed nuts. Make sure you never stop to understand nuance!! Erase it, comrade!
Who created this Liberal porn?
How is it even US ‘liberal’? “Secured the border?” Wtf is this??
I’ve seen some ‘if you don’t vote Biden you’re giving a vote to Trump’ Democrats touting a ‘secure border’ as being a positive for Biden. Trying to get 1moderates I guess?
As someone not from the US, “securing the border” and “moderate” seems to be a little contradictory unless you want to imply that straight up fascism is the norm.
How do secure borders and fascism have anything to do with each other? We’ve had borders, passports, visas etc. in some form since the dawn of civilization.
If you don’t secure your border, what’s the point of even having one? You can’t just let random people wander into your country undocumented… If you did, it wouldn’t be a country.
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Because they aren’t liberal policies, they’re leftist policies
I thought Lemmy was a liberal site, not a leftist site
Since when is insulin $35? My prescription a month ago was almost $4k.
I think it’s about to become price capped, I recall reading about it recently
That, and are you seriously paying 4000 dollar a month for insulin? Because those are maffia prices
It was a 3 month supply when I was between jobs without insurance. But yeah that was rough.
I keep hearing about price caps but they never come. I’ll probably die by then lol
Not sure who you think The Left™ is but we’re mostly angry about him supporting genocide. I guess because he did so those good things we should just ignore that?
I never really got informed on the whole situation. Do you have a good snyopsys of it?
Israel indiscriminately bombed 80% of homes in Gaza as well as hospitals and schools where people were seeking refuge, killing upwards of 24,000 people, 12,000 of which were children. The casualties used to be counted by the hospitals but after Israel bombed and destroyed many of them and put the others out of order, there is no mechanism for the casualties to be counted, so hundreds are dying and no one is able to keep track. The official numbers were based off the bodies that reached the hospitals so they are missing all of those who couldn’t be recovered from under the rubble, which are a large number because people recovering victims are doing it barehanded with no tools or vehicles. Israel cut off water, food, and medical aid from reaching Gaza. People have died from starvation, illness, and are being forced to ration water 2 liters a person per day for bathing, drinking, and washing meaning there is risk of death from dehydration.
The United States provided Israel with unlimited bombs in order to conduct this genocide. The US also provided direct military support by stationing its aircraft carrier near gaza in the Mediterranean in order to ward off any intervention against the genocide. Joe Biden bypassed congress in order to provide Israel the weapons and funding, not to mislead you that congress would have done anything differently, the entire United States government is genocidal.
Is there any back and forth or has it been one sided?
Inside the Gaza strip Hamas’s Al Qassam brigade has been engaging the invading Israeli military with small arms, mortars, and rocket launchers. The numbers of Israeli military casualties are not known because Israel censors them. Early on in the genocide Hamas offered to release its prisoners in exchange for a permanent ceasefire but Israel refused. Israel opted to continue its genocide, recovering none of its prisoners. In fact the Israeli military killed 5 of their own hostages. 3 were shot while waving a white flag in the street. 2 were killed in airstrikes.
Additionally, the initial civilian casualties on the Israeli side were also largely self-inflicted due to their indiscriminate use of force:
https://popularresistance.org/how-israeli-forces-trapped-and-killed-ravers-at-the-nova-festival/
A major reason Hamas launched the Al-Aqsa Flood operation was to take Israeli captives that could be exchanged for the thousands of Palestinians held captive in Israeli prisons. But Israeli forces were determined to prevent Hamas from taking captives back to Gaza, even if this meant killing the captured civilians.
An investigation of Israel’s long-controversial Hannibal Directive concludes that “from the point of view of the army, a dead soldier is better than a captive soldier who himself suffers and forces the state to release thousands of captives in order to obtain his release.”
People do not understand diplomacy or war , don’t care about informing themselves or understanding nuance, and like acting and feeling smart. Most of this criticism is purely emotional.
The US and Israel have a very tight strategic relationship and part of it is the US delivering weapons to them. Now the Israelis are annihilating Gaza/Palestine because of the Hamas, and many are demanding a “ceasefire” and holding the US responsible for not stopping the weapons deliveries.
Now, there’s certainly a lot to criticize about Israel’s lack of care against civilian casualties. However, the calls for a ceasefire agreement with the Hamas, who literally do not care about anything other than sowing chaos and discord and destroying Israel, is naive at best and completely dumb and malicious at worst.
If the US stops all weapons deliveries, the Hamas will just recoup and continue to harass Israel. It should be noted as well that the Hamas have shown time and time again to not care about their own population and that they just love using them for their personal gain, especially in international appearances (like this “Genocide Joe” circle jerk).
Because of Israel’s lack of care for civilians the US is now, at least according to the media, putting more and more pressure on Israel to watch human rights if they want to keep the endless weapons supplies.
It’s quite a complicated topic and I’m not an expert myself, but many takes on it out there just completely disregard reality in favor of catchy slogans and appeals to emotion.
It’s quite a complicated topic and I’m not an expert myself, but many takes on it out there just completely disregard reality in favor of catchy slogans and appeals to emotion.
It’s really not, ethnostates are categorically shit and there’s no fucking nuance there. You said it yourself “Israel” is a geostrategic interest of the US, because of its location.
if “Israel” didn’t exist, the US would have to create it. That’s a direct quote from Joe Biden.
The “pressure” they’re applying is just for the cameras to spin and gullible rubes to believe. The actions speak far louder. 3 aircraft carrier groups mobilized because the second-poorest country in the middle east was trying to interfere with “Israels” genocide. They could stop weapons shipments at any time, they have instead sped them up.
There’s always nuance, you’re very wrong here. Israel is an ethnostate for very good reasons and (excluding the occupied areas) it’s clearly no apartheid state. Although it’s a Jewish state, the arabic Israelis within Israeli territory are not 2nd class citizens.
If just one of the countless “Genocide!” screamers on the internet could explain the discrepancy between the criticism of Israels behaviour and the concurrent absolute non-existence of any Jewish minority whatsoever in any of Israels neighbours… That would be great. While these are not all ethnostates they have eradicated or expelled their respective Jewish minorities a long time ago. But Israel is shit because it’s an ethnostate? Lol
the ethnostate apologizer has arrived. It is an apartheid state, that’s why South Africa has felt so compelled to call it out for its actions.
Before the british and french showed up, there were muslims, christians, and jews living side by side across the ottoman empire. Sure it had its problems, but consolidating all the jews into a US-backed military ethnostate is not the answer.
It served British, and now US geostrategic interests.
I also don’t think that it’s a good answer and I fully agree that the status quo of the ottoman empire was better and by a lot. Nevertheless there are double standards in how Israels actions are viewed by many self-proclaimed progressives or leftists when compared with the conditions in other countries in the middle east.
And just stating that this state of affairs is the fault of the US and European colonialist nations is devoid of nuance, obviously wrong and does not lead to any solutions at all.
I have lots of issues with the social conditions of the various colonized countries surrounding Israel, but I still offer them critical support in their resistance against colonial occupation.
I really don’t think that highlighting the historical culpability of the US/european interests in the current situation is robbing any nuance from the discussion. Across many different colonial occupations there has often been some social issue pointed to as the “reason” why it’s “ok” for the savages to be colonized, because it’s bringing civilization.
It may sound benevolent, but it that’s just european chauvinism, creating the terrain for poverty, then acting like the social reaction rising from poverty and occupation as some sort of inherent characteristic in a post-hoc justification.
I miss when lemmy wasn’t full of fucking libs.
This is a leftist meme – It’s showing all the accomplishments Joe Biden made, and yes he is a leftist.
This post brought out the Putin Bots didn’t it?
Hexbear found this post lol
So I don’t disagree that we need to get less chosey and start voting for the lesser evil at the very least (not even american here bu the UK also has a choice between fuckwad A and B right now) But the bar for ‘extreme leftists’ has now gotten so low that depending on the company simply suggesting that we shouldn’t leave people to die on the street will get you classified as ‘extreme leftist’
Pretty sure in this context ‘extreme leftist’ just means someone who refuses to vote for biden because he hasn’t been “progressive enough”.
If you’re not voting for Biden you’re not progressive enough. Progress doesn’t happen in leaps and bounds. We have to fight for every inch while rowing against the current. A vote for Trump or staying home in protest sends us off a fucking waterfall.
edit: I’m going to be real with you and a lot of you aren’t going to like it. The amount of downvotes I am getting is suspicious. Anyone who claims to be progressive but would shit on what I just said is a fucking liar. Fite me.
In the United States no progress is made at all. Nobody expects leaps and bounds. Everything is getting consistently worse each and every year.
… while it feels that way it’s not really true. The biggest thing right now is people can’t afford a home which is so shitty everyone has the right to be upset. Abortion is another one but this election would be a major deciding factor. In America it is often one step forward two steps back, I’m not denying it. Only, there are people out here who want to make things better for everyone.
Buddy you mentioned some pretty fundamental aspects to peoples lives getting worse. If life isn’t getting worse then what do you suppose is getting better that makes up for unaffordable homes, loss of rights, historic levels of inflation and so on?
Define “everything”
Cost of living and individual rights.
To the feds in the chat that think running some bizarre psyop for dark brandon is going to work, you need to format your shit better. Pay somebody to do the job better than the people you currently pay. Fonts, messaging, everything. (What program did you even use to get dynamically sized lines like this lol?..)
You can try to make us ignore the MIC/1%'s power over both sides, but when the people truly wake the fuck up, remember that you’re leaving a massive trail of evidence.
Ignore the genocide ladies and gentlemen, make sure you “never” vote 3rd party because it would “never” work.
Lesser of Two Evils? How about the fuck no.
I will not vote for Trump.
I will not vote for Biden.
Your move DNC.
Choices:
Biden: Kinda meh, has a lot of flaws
Trump: Literal Fascist Dictator
“Both Sides equally bad, trust me bro”
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Look, it is pretty simple:
At the Vote: Lesser of two Evils
Rest of the time: Organise for Change!
It should not be that difficult guys, why do we need to repeat this again?
They probably understand but prefer to not vote for the lesser evil out of emotional reasons. IMO this behaviour appears to be similar to people voting for neoliberal far-right parties out of fear and disappointment although it’s completely detrimental to their interests.
Sadly it’s very hard to persuade people with rational arguments if their behaviour is driven by emotions.
Sadly it’s very hard to persuade people with rational arguments if their behaviour is driven by emotions.
I would like to take concrete steps towards the US murdering fewer brown people. As a trans person things have got worse under Biden (I don’t care about being able to serve in the fucking military lmao).
For all the fashy rhetoric from Trump (he almost literally demanded a kent state during the floyd protests), the squishy center pretended to care about opposing the government when it was doing terrible things. From my perspective that opposition was clearly all coming from a sense of tribalism, because our government is doing worse things now and we’re getting memes about how baller joe biden is.
When the Republicans end up in power they’re like the dog catching the car because they have to do all their unpopular stuff in the open and everyone hates them. When Democrats are in power everyone stops caring when they do demonic shit, so it’s full steam ahead with world war 3. Clearly nuance is lost on liberals and they need a BBEG (painted red) in power in order for them to oppose their own government.
I shouldn’t weigh in that much as I don’t live in the US and only follow US politics from a distance.
I can even very much understand the opposition against the “lesser of 2 evils” notion. Of course I also have emotions (haha) and when I look at the far-right populists in my own country and how the established parties have failed so many people and let the rise of inequality continue… Then I too don’t want to vote for the lesser of two evils.
But I regularly realise how my emotions misguide me. How I become more blind to the reasons why politicians (even conservative ones) act like they do and that it’s not just out of greed, evil and ignorance. How complicated the world is and how grey instead of black and white. Luckily I live in a country where a respectful discourse between political rivals does occasionally happen and allows me to deradicalise myself a bit.
If you want to take concrete steps toward the US murdering fewer brown people, the question IMO would be “where do I have the most leverage with my vote?” If you think that voting neither for Biden, nor for Trump does that, that’s perfectly fine for me and it’s your right, of course. I doubt that voting for a 3rd party in the US has any leverage at all but surely I’m no expert.
If you want to take concrete steps toward the US murdering fewer brown people, the question IMO would be “where do I have the most leverage with my vote?” If you think that voting neither for Biden, nor for Trump does that, that’s perfectly fine for me and it’s your right, of course. I doubt that voting for a 3rd party in the US has any leverage at all but surely I’m no expert.
US “democracy” is structured so that most people living in it are essentially disenfranchised. People make a big stink about voting online, but there’s no popular vote, if you live in a “blue” or “red” state your presidential vote is pretty much purely symbolic. If you’re not a white suburbanite basically all of the centrist elected representatives you will have will smile at you, but ignore 100% of what you say.
