I like the idea behind the community but it is a terrible name. Without reading an explanation, most people would assume it was some toxic, misogynistic group. I only know what it refers to because I bothered reading some of the comments here.
I’m sure there are much better names, such as Positive Masculinity for example.
Also positive masculinity tends to still be rooted in fairly patriarchal ideas of what it means to be a man in ways that liberation from gender roles specifically is not.
I like the idea behind the community but it is a terrible name.
The men’s liberation movement is a concept going back 50+ years. It would be difficult to change that at this point.
Also r/MensLib is a large, well-known sub with a well-defined remit. If you are going to start something similar on here it would be confusing not to go with a similar name. However, because of its scope, from what I saw, it tended to be a bit alienating to those who didn’t toe the party line.
So there is room for a community focused on a broader, looser discussion of the topic (although it’d need strict moderating), like:
I’m sure there are much better names, such as Positive Masculinity for example.
Healthy Masculinity? It seems to be the more accepted term, although they can be used interchangeably.
You’re right about the assumption… … But the assumptions are also part of the problem.
Women’s liberation doesn’t get a second glance at is name, so why can’t a men’s liberation discussion group enjoy the same?
I like the concept of being able to talk openly about mens’ issues. That liberation name is unfortunate; in my opinion, it definitely sounds at least apologetic towards misogyny. What do we have to be liberated from?
Consider that patriarchy hurts men too. There’s a lot of pressure to be a certain way in order to “be a man”, no crying or expressing emotions beyond anger or happiness, gotta be tough, that sort of thing. We can and should liberate ourselves from those toxic expectations
Edit: i’m sure someone else might be able to word it better, that’s just off the top of my head/how i interpret it
Naw you nailed it. It’s a reference to Women’s Lib
It’s a reference to the women’s lib movement. It’s about liberation from patriarchy and traditional gender roles.
See here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_liberation_movement
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What’s intersectionailty?
I had the same question opening this thread so I googled it.
the interconnected nature of social categorizations such as race, class, and gender as they apply to a given individual or group, regarded as creating overlapping and interdependent systems of discrimination or disadvantage.
What this means in this context is considering the viewpoints coming from many different groups–people of different races, religions, disabilities, neurodivergence, etc., so issues that affect men with disabilities, for example, are as important as issues that affect men without disabilities. They don’t get ignored or sidelined in favor of more mainstream conversations.
It seems like it just ends up killing a group’s momentum though. Instead of finding the common problems that affect everyone in the larger group me, you spend time talking about all the small issues that only effect some people in the group and then nothing gets done about the issues that actually affect a superlative or majority of the group.
As someone with a learning disability, a history of trauma, neurodivergence, and is part of a racial minority, I really don’t give a fuck if the majority are kept quiet for five minutes lol
That’s the problem. You want to keep the majority quiet instead of finding common ground that will help everyone in the greater group.
Seems weird to me that you think helping marginalized people wouldn’t help everybody. That’s the whole point, finding solutions to problems that work for everyone, not just those in the middle of the bell curve.
Helping everyone helps everyone. Helping just some people helps just some people. And it divides your group inter ever smaller segments, diminishing your power.
This was a good sub, glad to see it here
