• sacredbirdman@kbin.social
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    9 months ago

    "What we call AI lacks agency, the ability to make dynamic decisions of its own accord, choices that are “not purely reactive, not entirely determined by environmental conditions.” "

    That’s from the article and I referred to that.

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      9 months ago

      So are you suggesting that humans “[lack] agency [and] the ability to make dynamic decisions?” Your point is that humans are just AI and, if we’re going from this quote, we can’t have agency if we are the same.

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        9 months ago

        I’m not saying that humans are just AI, I’m just saying that there’s no fundamental difference in the sense that we also respond to stimuli… we don’t have free will.

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          9 months ago

          That’s fair. With that line of logic, the author had to say what he said so there’s no value behind criticizing him. Granted you had to criticize him because you have no free will either. The conversation is completely meaningless because all of this is just preprogrammed action.

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            9 months ago

            Depends on how you define meaning. I find meaning in experiencing the life. It may be predetermined or have random elements in it but the experience is unique to me.

            Anyway, given all we know about us and the universe I haven’t heard a coherent proposal of how free will could work. So, until there’s good evidence to convince me otherwise … I can’t help but believe it doesn’t exist.

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              9 months ago

              Right! Without free will the only meaning you have is whatever you were preordained to have. Even your sense of meaning is just a predefined firing of neurons set into motion when it all began. This conversation, my response to you, your response to me, it’s all just something we have no control over unless our brains were wired back when to believe that infinitely small sub(infinite)atomic particles colliding is any form of meaning.

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              7 months ago

              So, until there’s good evidence to convince me otherwise … I can’t help but believe it doesn’t exist.

              Is it other people’s jobs to bring this evidence to you?