• deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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    There’s no point in negotiating with a dictator whose primary goal is to remain in power. A peaceful end to the conflict means the death of Kim at the hands of the oppressed.

    This is like asking a kidnapper to kindly release the hostages or we will ask again later.

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    The South’s current government is ridiculously conservative. Rolling back labour laws and women’s rights were pillars of their election run. They’ll do whatever the US tells them to. It shouldn’t come as a surprise that peaceful diplomacy is not at the forefront of their mind.

    It’s honestly pretty cyclical, they bounce back and forth between more diplomatic minded leadership and more warhungry. They are much more in the antagonistic phase of their cycle right now.

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      Weird how the “unstable dictatorship” is the more consistent one in this relationship

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    Koreans on both sides of the DMZ have more in common than they do differences. Unfortunately the comprador regime in the south and their handlers in Washington can’t have anyone noticing that.

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      How does one even count similarities and differences? What does it even mean to say there are more of one than the other?

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        Of all the semantic hair splitting distractions, that’s what you go for?

        Go study philosophy or something. I’ll wait for something substantive.

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    Don’t even know why that was even an option, anyway. NK isn’t ever going to cooperate with its “enemies” and will just continue to indoctrinate its population with propaganda.

    The only solution is a military invasion of NK. Always has been.

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      The only solution is a military invasion of NK

      1. The DPRK has nuclear weapons

      2. The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea and the People’s Republic of China have a treaty going back to 1961 which in Article II clearly states that: “The Contracting Parties undertake jointly to adopt all measures to prevent aggression against either of the Contracting Parties by any state. In the event of one of the Contracting Parties being subjected to the armed attack by any state or several states jointly and thus being involved in a state of war, the other Contracting Party shall immediately render military and other assistance by all means at its disposal.”

      Aggression on them is aggression on China, good luck! 😄

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      The only solution is a military invasion of NK. Always has been.

      The US always could have not disrupted the planned elections and installed a military dictatorship that kept a lot of the Japanese colonial officers around and started mass killing Koreans. Then the democratic korea wouldn’t have had to try to liberate their country.

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        Could’ve, would’ve, should’ve. The US has had a long and sordid history of downright fucked-up foreign policy decisions.

        But, bitching about it doesn’t really change the current situation. NK has a dictatorship with a enough military power that it still requires a decent army to overrun. Kim isn’t going to listen to any diplomacy, except when he can trick some diplomat to give him more power or image-building. At best, China might be able to cut off its funding and topple Kim’s little empire, but China has no interest in that.

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      I would argue that we are, as a planetary civilization, almost past the point where a war of that sort is even possible.

      On the other hand, if China were to ever shun NK, I would bet that their government would likely collapse in less than a decade.

      Sadly, China has a ton of reasons to want to prevent that, one of the bigger ones being the border with NK where many, many refugees would try to cross into China.

      I could however see, someday, China agreeing to a massive backroom deal on a scale that would be unprecedented:

      China abruptly works to ensure a complete collapse of the NK government, without any NK nuclear weapons either coming into play or any NK nuclear weapons going missing (except to China itself, if it wants them).

      And SK along with a good chunk of the Western world agrees to immediately conduct one of the largest humanitarian missions in history, to ensure that nobody is fleeing NK into China unless they have tons of assets and they want to avoid repercussions for their actions.

      There are, sadly, a lot of reasons why China wouldn’t want the western powers capable of pulling that off to have control of territory that close to China though.

      SK would be their safest bet, but SK doesn’t have the resources to pull of that kind of a humanitarian effort.

      And the chances that someone like the US wouldn’t take the chance to plop a military base in what is currently NK seems awfully slim.

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        Well yes, you are definitely exaggerating if you are suggesting that half the planet is a ‘death cult’. Maybe if you want to say that the foreign policy establishment in certain countries is, then it would be a more reasonable statement.

        I don’t think that “the West” is even a useful term.

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            I love weird infographic maps. Wonder why the areas have been chosen to portrayed that way. There’s more border control between EU and USA than EU and LATAM.

            Western world is a weird concept anyway. All the different blues in wikipedia’s map are closer to a global community and a common culture than the map above.

            Even Africa and India are more connected to the rest of the world, maybe only some of those Asian countries are the exception

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              Just to name one example, this very article we are commenting on is about South Korea, and I don’t see them on that map.

              … Look at the map again.

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          Lol, news flash. Western white people are not half the planet. Never have been. They are a significant minority.

          You don’t get to decide if the West is a useful term. You have to listen to the global majority on that. And they demonstrate it’s utility by using it.

          The foreign policy establishment is tiny. There are millions of people screaming at their TVs, lynching black people, shooting protestors, buying guns, watching and producing military propaganda movies, watching and producing TV shows about hero white people killing Asiatic hordes, celebrating the European genocide against indigenous people, calling water protectors terrorists, baying for the blood of Iranians, Russians, Chinese… Millions who thinks dropping nukes on population centers was the best course of action. That vacation in Vietnam and marvel at how backwards they are and don’t think Kissinger is that bad.

          It’s not like you and your family and friends and countrymen are just normal people who weren’t raised for 20 years on genocidal indoctrination by your parents, grandparents, teachers, books, TVs, movies, politicians, historians, memorials, and religions. You just don’t think you were.

          It’s not the foreign policy establishment. It’s the entire European project for the last 600 years. You don’t get out of it by just saying “it’s only the power elite”. If the US had a popular revolt, I guarantee you that it would result in major mass killings of the marginalized, because despite your fantasy, the majority of Americans are part of the death cult.

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            Maybe “The US and its allies”?

            I mean Japan is typically included as part of The West, and it is to the east of China. Cuba is in the western hemisphere, but it is Marxist-Leninist. I don’t think directional terms of the globe make as much sense in the 21st century as they did in the premodern world.

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              The term “The West” is not to mean something geographical but rather countries that value the Western culture. That’s why the US, Australia, New Zealand and even more notably Israel, Japan and South Korea are fitted into that category. Even though none of these countries are European they all follow along with western traditions or have been westernised in some way or another. If you look at maps of policy decision taking and such (there is even a community dedicated for this in Reddit and I think also here called /alwaysthesamemap) you will see how most of the time “The International Community” is the set of Europe plus the aforementioned countries.

              That is also why the term “Global South” doesn’t really need to be taken literally since for example colonised States such as Hawai’i, or imperialized countries such as Mexico or certain parts of northern Africa are technically above the equator. It is more a symbolic allegorical representation of the people on top (the ruling classes) and the ones below (the oppressed masses).

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      Your perspective being shared by bloodthirsty us officials is why the drpk has and is justified in having nukes

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        If you don’t wan’t to be invaded, don’t give your enemies a convenient and completely morally justifiable reason to do so.

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          Bloodthirsty imperialist, keep fantasizing about them being helpless so they could be invaded.