Judge a man by his actions, not by his words.
I hope the ICJ takes the US, UK, Germany and other genocide enablers to the trial too.
Don’t forget Canada.
Hmm, is it me who’s wrong about the facts on the ground and the application of international law?
No, it is Canada who is has gone genocidal!
Canada has a long and arguably continuing history of genocide.
Do any multilateral bodies call it genocide or just edgelords on the internet?
What planet are you on that you’ve never heard of the Canadian extermination of indigenous peoples?
I have heard of it. Have I heard anyone call it genocide though? I don’t think I have. Other than, now this is the second person, whom I consider to be edgelords on the internet until proven otherwise.
Canada’s policies aimed at assimilating Indigenous people included outlawing languages, cultural practices and political traditions and forcibly removing children from families. These were deliberate attempts to erase a distinct group of people by destroying the essential foundations of their way of life.
I read enough studying law and before that criminal justice with a history minor to know that this quote is completely true and not really that strong of a case by an international law standard. I get their argument though and have a lot of sympathy for the indigenous people throughout North America and the arctic.
jesus, what an extremely late understatement
Biden slams the Palestinian genocide as “a little too much”.
In the same statement, he also calls El-Sisi president of Mexico. This comes also after he said that Hamas’ response to the deal was “over the top” two days ago. Not sure if what he even said today has any bearing at all considering it’s safe to assume that he doesn’t know which country is which. What’s ironic is that just before that he said “my memory is good”.
I’ve called people the wrong name many times, my memories still fine, I think? Where am I? I’ve looked at someone else when talking to a colleague and called them by the name of the person I was looking at instead of who I was talking too.
I wouldn’t call that a huge issue, embarrassing sure, but not exactly a sign of bad memory.
Well Americans, prepare for Isreal to interfere with your elections.
They have legal bribery there, they don’t even need outside interference lol.
What he needs to say is, “You’ve had your fun. Stop now. If not, we’ll invade.”
No need to invade, just stop giving them new toys.
Could just demand the immediate resignation of Bibi and his government as a prerequisite for a continued alliance, but that would require a spine.
Is that how alliances work? Please tell us more.
Yes. Alliances are mutual pacts, and can be broken by either party when the other becomes objectionable or unprofitable. Or just because.
I personally consider “being a genocidal fascist abusing the alliance to cement his rule” a deal breaker that can only be resolved with the removal of the offending party from power.
You don’t?
So your approach to weilding America’s strength and good will, in the name of human rights, is to abandon allies over 35,000 deaths, most of which are civilians? Okay that’s one approach. Not sure how our other allies will feel about it, whether they might stop working with if we try to dictate how they decide to prosecute a war on their border.
What are you going to say to any emerging powers that are considering whether they want to be part of the western world or if they want to hitch their wagons to Chinese or Russian power? How will you live with yourself when you realize your emotions over 35,000 deaths caused you to end the very alliance that stops tens of millions from dying in an Iranian war and the cascade of failed states that would follow?
“Being a genocidal fascist”? Who specifically are you even talking about? Israel is a democracy. They don’t have just one person in charge. Are you talking about Netanyahu? You’re going to blow up an alliance and risk tens of millions of lives because you don’t like one politician, whose entire party seems likely to be defeated at the ballot box? How about giving it one election before we try severe sanctions and whatever else you are suggesting America should do to overthrow a leader and party that was democratically elected because it won’t do what we want?
Seems incredibly ignorant and short sighted, something a kid might suggest.
Directly after that sentence he proceeded to say in this short video:
He has a stutter! Stop shaming him because he doesn’t live up to your speaking privilege.
Just click the video it’s like 30 seconds. Biden paused for quite a while before making such a massive mistake.
- Provides political, military, and economic support for Israel after they were attacked horrifically. Refuses to set any limits or conditions upon said support
- Gets taken for a ride by the hardline zealots who see this as their best chance to crush Gaza completely, and already have high level government and cabinet ministers attending & hosting talks to annex Gaza in part or completely
- Cannot undo what he has done in the name of geopolitics, increasingly is getting hammered by Muslim voters in the US at large, and voters across the spectrum who sympathize with the Palestinian civilians, and a growing rebellion within his own party
There was a moral imperative in 1948 & 1967 to support Israel against outside aggression who openly stated they wanted to end Israel. There’s now a moral imperative to protect Gazans and their land as was agreed to in Oslo II.
Enjoy your mess Joe, you sleepwalked into this one, crisis by crisis by believing Bibi unconditionally until very recently. Because now Egypt is getting testy:
Netanyahu’s words have also alarmed Egypt which has said that any ground operation in the Rafah area or mass displacement across the border would undermine its 40-year-old peace treaty with Israel. The mostly sealed Gaza-Egypt border is also the main entry point for humanitarian aid.
That’s a big fucking issue, if Egypt is throwing that language around I doubt Jordan is far behind them. I’ll say it again, is the alliance with Israel worth it, if it jeopardizes US relations with literally every other nation in the gulf?
I hate Israel more than the next guy, but those nations likely wouldn’t be sympathetic to the west’s form of government anyways.
Israel is not a colony we created because we felt bad for Jewish people. Israel is a colony we created to be able to project power in the middle east.
So, it’s not about getting Arab nations to like us. It’s about having a place to park stealth bombers those countries don’t have the technology to shoot down. It’s about having a Mafia group willing to do our dirty work so we don’t look that bad doing it
A sad truth but this is the truth of Israel.
Are we continuing on the series for Biden’s campaign ads?
“You all thought he was supporting genocide but look he is slapping Israel’s wrist! There you go, now you can vote for him with a clear conscience”
Unfortunately the US elections often come down to voting for the person you dislike less.
Do I like his stance on Israel? No
But his opponent (Trump) stance/actions is worse
So I will hold my nose and do my civic duty
Basically.
It felt awful voting for him the first time. Now? Lol. You have to keep perspective that this countrys official stance on Israel from the start has been unwavering support. I think even if we got Bernie in 16 he would have found it hard to do much with this one. Congress would still foot the bill no matter what he did or said. Israel has been a geopolitical oasis for US foreign policy, and say what you will about US foreign policy, but abandoning a long term ally weakens your soft powers exponentially.
And on that note, abstaining from voting or voting for the nuclear cheetoh because US foreign policy is horrific is ensuring we do/enable far, far worse. And if youre counting on a revolution in the age of drones to occur after the public is fed up with trump and lgbtq folks are in cages, i got news for you: we have absolutely none of the systems in place to care for a populace after all the current systems at play would die in this supposed revolution.
God. Its just frustrating. I get it, i hate US neoimperialism too, but did u miss the bit where the other big players have their populace more under their thumbs? Bc at least here u still have a functioning vote. If u dont throw it away, that is.
Why do you think trump would be worse on israel? Hes the only president in 50-100 years not to start a war. He got us out of afghanistan. Hes not telling the israelis they have our full throated support. And even more importantly, I cant think of a single way for him personally to get rich off of the israeli genocide, so I can only assume he would have zero interest in prolonging it. Like, honestly, he seems like the least bad option weve had in a long time, because we know exactly how he will behave, and its certainly not as bad as all of the presidents who oversaw mass killings. He will be a buffoon, and he will probably attempt another coup. So what? You think the FBI cant contain a second coup, which they are now expecting? If thats the price we have to pay to get a president who doesnt openly support genocide, im more than willing to pay it.
Biden is SO CRITICAL of Israel that he’s ready to send them BILLIONS more dollars without Congressional Approval! THAT will teach Israel to STOP!
Yeha, he’s just making sure he wins the next elections. He knows this is one of the reasons why people won’t vote for him. The fact he is keeping it this tame just shows he really doesn’t want to affect his relations with Israel. So, after he wins, everything will stay the same way.
I’m guessing you’re his biographer? Maybe his therapist? Are you him?
Gotta be one of the three to know so much about what his intentions are.
Not really. The war in Gaza is unpopular among the population, but there is pressure for him to send aid to Israel. There are not many ways to slime that one out and have a chance to win the upcoming election. Speak loudly what the masses want to hear, do what he needs to appease the more powerful people who can screw him over.
He’s a politician after all, his priority is to maintain power at home, not to stop the war in Gaza.
He’s an American president: Gaza is not, not should be- his priority. America is not the world police. And the sooner people realize this/ the better we’ll all be from it.
Exactly, so he should quit sending kajillions of dollars to help them kill children and covering their ass in the UN security council every time they start slaughtering Palestinians again.
You guys are aware that if he cuts funding to Israel, he 100% loses the election, right? He’s not funding Israel for the funzies, or because he just loves genocide. So why do you keep demanding he cut funding?
“Sure there’s a genocide, but think of the votes!!” Meanwhile if you’re told that biden will lose votes because he supports genocide, you’ll probably respond with “but the other guy!!” So basically we just have to full-throatedly support genocide, huh?
This is so stupid that if it were any other topic I’d accuse you of being a MAGA. Utterly nonsensical.
Meanwhile if you’re told that biden will lose votes because he supports genocide, you’ll probably respond with “but the other guy!!”
Yes. The other guy will make the genocide worse. It’s a simple concept. You have one guy who’s against the genocide but needs to support it, vs the other guy who is fully on board the genocide train and would happily make it worse.
So yes. What about the other guy is an extremely important thing to say.
So basically we just have to full-throatedly support genocide, huh?
Not unless I want to? What a weird non sequitur. The only people jumping for joy that brown people are getting killed are right wingers. Whom you are helping by asking Biden to sacrifice himself.
israel’s goal is the complete removal of the Palestinian people from their lands, whether that’s through genocide or other means, they don’t care. You’re saying that somehow trump will make this worse. How can it get worse than genocide? Regardless, you’re saying that no matter who we vote for, we get genocide. So tell the people who have this as their most important issue: what difference does their vote make? For someone who claims that only other people “jump for joy over brown people getting killed” you sure do fight hard to defend someone who is killing “brown people”. I dunno, maybe you think you’re superior because you imagine others are jumping for joy over death while you, the enlightened democrat, merely just don’t care about “brown people” dying in the face of votes.
Speaking of stupid, just because I criticize biden, doesn’t mean I’m a trump supporter. It’s incredibly stupid to think there are only two sides in this.
21% of the Israeli population are Arabs. Over 2,000,000 people, many are Palestinian. Virtually all of them live perfectly peaceful lives and recognize Hamas for the terrorist organization that it is. There are Palestinians working in the Israeli government, elected to office. They hold seats in Israel’s legisture.
How could trump make it worse? Well right now the daily death tolls are steadily decreasing, aid into the region is increasing, the war strategy is becoming more precise, Biden is pressuring Israel to an extent that is unprecedented for America, and oh I don’t know: America has future presidential elections scheduled, we’re not in a hot war with Iran and have a policy of containment that is has so far staved off another US mid east war.
Cons? A country America does not control has killed 35,000 people in open war against actual terrorists over a period of four plus months, but most of whom are civilians. Let’s say the UN finds it to be a case of wanton genocide, let’s say the current trend fully reverses and Israel starts using helicopter gunships to mow down fleeing civilians by the hundreds, as in the case of the Rohingya genocide. Let’s assume that instead of 1% of the population of Gaza dead, Israel goes full genocide and kills all 2.5 million Gazas and moves in Israeli settlers. That’s worst case scenario in your view, right? I just say it seems very unlikely given the current state of the war but let’s say this is the slipperiest slope ever.
Or…could have a dictator in America. Could have a guy whose loyalty has again and again been to Russia, Saudi Arabia, and himself. Guy who flagrantly breaks the law on televsion. Has said that he would use collective punishment on terrorists and their families. Trump thinks Bibi is a great, smart, and strong leader. Trump started a hot war with Iran already which only ended because Iran accidentally shot down a civilian airliner.
What if we did have a hot war with Iran? 35,000 sounds bad so bad to you #GenocideJoe (again, heçs president of America, not Israel), right? How does 3,500,000, sound? How does 35,000,000 sound to you? Are those numbers still the same thing in your mind? Population of Iran is 100,000,000. How many would die in the increasingly inhospitable climate of the mid east with a few more failed states to deal with, tens of millions of refugees fleeing to Europe, Africa, and Asia. How about 35,000 people dying every day for months or years on end?
Your sincere concern for Palestinians is humanitarian in nature, right? War with Iran would be an utter catastrophe and make the 2023 Israel-Gaza war seem like a footnote. These are my sincere opinions, anyway.
Arabs are basically second-class citizens in Israel: https://www.jta.org/2016/04/12/israel/4-ways-jews-and-arabs-live-apart-in-israeli-society
“aid into the region is increasing” are you counting from when the US pulled funding based on israel’s claims (without a shred of evidence)? The war strategy is becoming more precise in that they tell Palestinians exactly where to gather so they can be bombed in a precise location. How is biden pressuring israel when he pushes so hard to get more billions of dollars into their hands? Your idea of pressure is very different from, well, I guess anyone living in reality.
I know you’re trying to invoke the “slippery slope” fallacy, but just one look at a map showing israel’s constantly expanding borders should make it obvious to anyone that this “slippery slope” is not a fallacy, but real. After israel completes their obvious mission of complete ethnic cleansing, you’ll be shrugging your shoulders and probably saying something like “it’s regrettable, but that’s all in the past, we’ll do better in the future”.
Yeah, trump is bad, but biden is not any better on this specific and important issue. You know how you get trump re-elected? By being stubborn and ignoring voters. There is a pretty important bloc of Arab-American voters in Michigan (you know, the state Hillary lost in 2016) that have some pretty strong opinions on this matter.
War with Iran is inevitable because that’s what israel wants: total domination of the Middle East. Ever wonder why countries like Iraq, Syria, Libya, and others were toppled with great help (or direct action) from the US? All enemies of israel get destroyed and it’s no mere coincidence. War with Iran is inevitable and, like the map of israel’s ever-expanding bordering, anyone paying even a bit of attention can see this obvious trend.
How can it get worse than genocide?
Harder, faster, more brutal, less consequences.
Look, I can tell you’re one of those people for whom words short-circuit your brain. Once you hear a certain word, you stop thinking and just start emoting. Genocide. Pedophile. Guns. It prevents you from thinking about the how and the why because you’re blinded by anger.
Depopulation and mass killing are both genocide, but one is worse than the other. Attempting a genocide over 30 years is not as bad as attempting a genocide over 3 months, because we are more likely to stop the former.
It’s incredibly stupid to think there are only two sides in this.
There literally are only two sides, that’s how our voting system works.
We as individuals are more than our political system. Well, you certainly aren’t, but other people are. israel are doing this genocide as fast as they can and biden is pledging billions in support of them as they do it. Do you think trump would pledge more billions? Do you think he’d pledge US troops to join in? You’re dealing in hypotheticals and trying to shut down any criticism of the current president who has the power to stop this. How about we don’t have genocide, or is idea too mind-blowing for your supposedly not-short-circuited brain to understand?
Following your logic, the civil rights act should’ve never been passed since it cost democrats votes from racists.
Do you think trump would pledge more billions?
Yes.
You’re dealing in hypotheticals
Yes.
How about we don’t have genocide
That’s not really an option. The most Biden could do is make it a little less genocidey, until Trump wins and then it gets a whole lot more genocidey.
the civil rights act should’ve never been passed since it cost democrats votes from racists.
Democrats won the undying fealty of the single most reliable voter bloc: Black women. Black women vote every time, even when forced to vote for the lesser of two evils. Black women always vote Democrat. They will trudge through snow or hurricanes to vote Democrat. Can you say as much for the far left? Realistically, if Biden cut off aid to Israel tomorrow, there’s a decent chance you’d find something else he did that you didn’t like that you’d use as an excuse to not vote.
More importantly, the Civil Rights Act was popular enough that it couldn’t get undone by future administrations. Anything Biden does to help Palestine or thwart Israel will be immediately undone next year when Trump takes over.
Not to mention the very real possibility of the end of our democracy. I know we’re talking about Israel here so I won’t dwell on it, but it’s worth keeping in mind even in terms of helping Palestine long term. Can’t help Palestine if we’ve become a Christian theocracy. Hell, we’d probably have troops there ourselves participating in the massacre.
The possibility of the end of our democracy is precisely because of the many times we’ve gone along with “this is just how things are” and democrats insisting that we have to work with republicans while republicans kept getting worse and worse, moving the overton window to the right. Democrats need to put their foot down and pull back the overton window to the left, that is how we can make some real changes. Democrats doing this would show people that there is a party that will actually fight for them, a party worth going through the trouble of voting for. I thought this was the lesson that would be learned from 2016 when democrats pushed through a “safe” “centrist” candidate and lost, but instead they’ve doubled down.
israel doesn’t need to have bipartisan support. Yes, aipac has a lot of power, but it’s because of this undying support for israel which creates this feedback loop. Doing the right thing is worth it in the long run.
So you’re saying in terms of genocide your vote has no impact whatsoever?
“There are a lot of innocent people who are in trouble and dying,” the president said in a session with reporters.
Gee, then maybe you shouldn’t have cut funding to the biggest single relief agency in the area just because Israel told you to (archive part 1, part 2), you fucking clod
e; Six pages of evidence (archive) about 12 people in an organization of 13000 that we probably didn’t even see (archive) and a bunch of disinformation from Israeli mouthpieces was all it took
You don’t have to prove with links that we did that. We were joined in it by a broad, multilateral coalition of partners.
Those who saw the raw intelligence said it was irrefutable and the problem was significantly more widespread than the 13 people directly accused, all of whom the agency immediately fired upon also seeing the intelligence.
[citation needed]
The fact that you’ve said this makes it obvious that you do not know enough about this story to have an opinion on it. You’re not following it closely enough snd haven’t done your basic homework to come into this conversation.
You can’t just respond to “citation needed” with an ad hominem, my dude.
It’s not ad hominem. I’m not dude’s dad or teacher. He can take four seconds and Google it.
Yeah, you’re just someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about well enough to back it up.
Now who’s making claims without evidence?
Did you see the raw intelligence or are we just going with Israel and their allies saying to us “trust me bro”? Seems unlikely that the UN aid agency is actually a secret Hamas organization. That’s very convenient.
That’s not what anyone has said.
So what have they said? Maybe you can provide links?
What am I your secretary? I wrote what they said in this thread. Some dumbo comes along and says “citation needed.”
If that resonated with you, perhaps you also have not followed this story closely enough to know what you’re talking about? Try adding the words “state department” or “intelligence briefing” to your Google search string. If you had followed the story closely enough, you’d already know what sources I was referencing in my initial post. Maybe you could disagree with their responses, but saying “citation needed” to the basic facts of the story instantly reveals you as unserious.
This is ass backwards. UNRWA immediately fired the accused employees solely because they were worried about the potential ramifications and figured it wasn’t something worth fighting. They had and have seen zero actual evidence to back it up. Meanwhile, half the west stupidly took this as evidence that the allegations were true and pulled their future funding, while they too have seen zero actual evidence to back up Israel’s claims.
They had and have seen zero actual evidence to back it up.
How do you suppose they knew who to fire?
I’m having flashbacks to HRC’s “Cut it out” moment. What a bunch of losers.
