• Drivebyhaiku@lemmy.world
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          7 months ago

          Pretty sure this would fall under the several parables in Christianity where Jesus or God basically tells people that exacting judgement for biblical sin is the domain and privilege of God alone and that it’s not the job of people to act on it.

          But if Christians didn’t get pushback for being terrible to people they wouldn’t feel persecuted and they all want to suffer somehow to feel like they are Christ-like themselves. The Bible is very much written from the perspective of having it’s work cut out to be radical upheaval of the status quo. I don’t think there was much thought that they would basically recreate the structures they were fighting against by becoming economically as powerful as nobility. When you really start digging everything from the expectation of extreme celebacy to the idea that giving money to the church is a virtue that should be rewarded with respect and prestige in the church isn’t Jesus… It’s Paul. The notoriously power hungry guy who who fell off a horse, hit his head on a rock and hallucinated Jesus.

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            Without Paul there is no Christianity. The James community got wiped out. What’s more without Paul there is no Bible either.

            27 books and 13 attributed to him alone. Of the remaining only 5 are popularly referenced. Of those five 1 is Jesus recast in the mold of Paul (Mark) and the other is about the merry adventures of Paul. Since John copied Luke, Luke copied Matthew, and Matthew copied Mark even the parts about Jesus aren’t really about him.

            You don’t know what Jesus really said, you can’t even confirm the man existed.

            Here is the truth and I am sorry it hurts. Your god is made in your image. The Jesus you like tells us a lot about you and nothing about what really happened. If you are a SJW type then Jesus is one, if you are an authority type than Jesus is one as well, revolutionary, closeted homosexual, enlightened being who knows about aliens, into peace, into diversity, into charity, into institution building… There are as many Jesus’ as there are people who worship him. The greatest Rorschach test ever made.

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                7 months ago

                Bart Erhman. He wrote a series of popular books on the NT and pretty much is the guy everyone is going to recommend to get started with. He also has a podcast.

                In terms of the book attributions Wikipedia has a list I am sure.

                In terms of what happened to James community I am not sure the best place to get started would be. Maybe start by learning about the purposed authors of the Gospel of John.

                In terms of my assertions that Mark was recasting Jesus as Paul well you are just going to have to look around. Start by finding a basic textual criticism class on Mark. If you would like to know why I said that I can give you a breakdown of my arguments but a real historian could do a better job.

                In terms of me saying that they all copied from each other again Bart. Me and him disagree about John but he he agrees with the rest. You also might want to read up on the Synoptic problem and Q, M, and L sources.

                Let me know.