ActivityPub is a pretty bad example, since it’s new. It hasn’t had to endure decades of implementations and extensions, like email has. But ActivityPub will be an equal mess given enough time.
Anything that has to be backward compatible for too long will become a mess.
Incidentally, this is one of the biggest complaints from a technical standpoint that many people have with certain Microsoft products.
We were talking about federated software, based on a shared protocol but with many different implementations vs centralized software (as in run by one entity, not as in non-distributed).
Your pedanticts are what the whole discussion was about. So your pedantics aren’t valid.
I get where you are coming from but you clearly equated email to software which is wrong. It’s not a software. The rest of your points are valid. No need to get pissy.
And if eMail (the whole system) wasn’t federated but instead would be run by a single company, then it would be: yes, a single software implementation.
Pro tip: any comment that begins with “to be pedantic” usually adds nothing to the discussion and has the sole purpouse to make the pedant feel superior over everyone else. It’s a good way to annoy everyone else in the discussion.
You seriously need to pull your head out your ass.
Email is not a software. It’s a horrible example. It’s no different than saying SNMP is software. It’s fundamentally wrong.
Now I was nice. Yes it was stupid to bring up but not everyone is in IT so not everyone would know your example of email as a software is wrong. That is why I, quite nicely, brought it up. Not to hate simply it’s a bad example and it still is.
Yet here you are doubling down on aggressive bullshit for being politely advised your example was shit.
Dude, you are the only one who doesn’t get what this thread was about and who is only here to purpously misunderstand the topic. Nobody claimed that email is a software and actually I wasn’t talking about software or protocols but about systems/ecosystems.
If you have a look at what I said in the first post, I referenced email as a “system” not as software and said, that federated systems are harder to manage because you have much less control about the software that is used in that system. Email is a system, and the software that I referenced were implementations of software that handles emails. So not only are you rude and pedantic, but your whole point hinges on you misreading the first post and not understanding what the word “system” means.
And you know what, email isn’t even a protocol. There is no protocol named “email”. There are SMTP, POP3, IMAP and some other protocols, but there is not a single protocol named “email”. Because email is a system, where different software implementations (servers and clients) communicate over a set of protocols.
So before being pedantic and obnoxious, please first
Read the post you are answering to
Try to understand it
Read up on the topic
Try to understand it
And then contribute in a meaningful way
You failed on all of these points.
If you seriously think your agressive discussion style is polite, then there’s nothing to add.
Pedantic but email is more like a protocol and not a software. Outlook is the software. It’s not a valid example.
ActivityPub might be closer
100%
ActivityPub is a pretty bad example, since it’s new. It hasn’t had to endure decades of implementations and extensions, like email has. But ActivityPub will be an equal mess given enough time.
Anything that has to be backward compatible for too long will become a mess.
Incidentally, this is one of the biggest complaints from a technical standpoint that many people have with certain Microsoft products.
We were talking about federated software, based on a shared protocol but with many different implementations vs centralized software (as in run by one entity, not as in non-distributed).
Your pedanticts are what the whole discussion was about. So your pedantics aren’t valid.
I get where you are coming from but you clearly equated email to software which is wrong. It’s not a software. The rest of your points are valid. No need to get pissy.
And if eMail (the whole system) wasn’t federated but instead would be run by a single company, then it would be: yes, a single software implementation.
Pro tip: any comment that begins with “to be pedantic” usually adds nothing to the discussion and has the sole purpouse to make the pedant feel superior over everyone else. It’s a good way to annoy everyone else in the discussion.
You seriously need to pull your head out your ass.
Email is not a software. It’s a horrible example. It’s no different than saying SNMP is software. It’s fundamentally wrong.
Now I was nice. Yes it was stupid to bring up but not everyone is in IT so not everyone would know your example of email as a software is wrong. That is why I, quite nicely, brought it up. Not to hate simply it’s a bad example and it still is.
Yet here you are doubling down on aggressive bullshit for being politely advised your example was shit.
Dude, you are the only one who doesn’t get what this thread was about and who is only here to purpously misunderstand the topic. Nobody claimed that email is a software and actually I wasn’t talking about software or protocols but about systems/ecosystems.
If you have a look at what I said in the first post, I referenced email as a “system” not as software and said, that federated systems are harder to manage because you have much less control about the software that is used in that system. Email is a system, and the software that I referenced were implementations of software that handles emails. So not only are you rude and pedantic, but your whole point hinges on you misreading the first post and not understanding what the word “system” means.
And you know what, email isn’t even a protocol. There is no protocol named “email”. There are SMTP, POP3, IMAP and some other protocols, but there is not a single protocol named “email”. Because email is a system, where different software implementations (servers and clients) communicate over a set of protocols.
So before being pedantic and obnoxious, please first
You failed on all of these points.
If you seriously think your agressive discussion style is polite, then there’s nothing to add.