To use political jargon, Nikki Haley—who has lost primary contests in Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, and her home state of South Carolina—does not have a snow ball’s chance in hell of winning the GOP nomination for president. Still, she is apparently intent on not going down without a fight, and to that end, the former governor has a message for voters: Anyone who votes for Donald Trump has a death wish for America.

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    8 months ago

    I think this take is pretty bad. You can disagree with Haley and Trump on a lot of pretty core issues, but trying to say they are completely equal is just plain wrong, in my opinion.

    If Haley was elected, I’m positive that I wouldn’t like the direction of the country at all, and think things would regress. It also encourages Republicans to run the most extreme candidates, because there’s no pull to anything rational when all candidates are treated the same.

    With Trump, I’m genuinely concerned about our core institutions surviving again.

    I don’t view Haley as Moderate, but I don’t think Trump is on a politicians spectrum. The man is just chaos and ego incarnate.

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      8 months ago

      List three issues where you think Haley is substantially better than trump.

      I have a feeling it’s the difference between a heart attack while you sleep and a bullet to the brain.

      The results are the same, even if the road is a little less bumpy.

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        Corruption, demeanor, and leadership.

        She doesn’t have dozens of lawsuits, she’s not a loose cannon who will say anything at any moment (I can only imagine how awful Trump is in meetings with foreign leaders, and his lawyers don’t even let him speak in court because he’ll get himself in even more trouble), and she can get people around her to believe in things more than her own selfish means.

        I get that you wanted policies, but things like this are important too. Haley wouldn’t be headlining every day with some dumb shit she said on Twitter.

        I feel oddly like I’m defending Haley… I’m not. Her border policies suck, she’ll seek to pardon Trump if elected, and I don’t see her doing shit on gun control either. Economically she’ll do the same as Republicans in that she’ll grossly underfund programs and then use their underfunding as justification for closing them, and do nothing to help the average person with tax breaks (those are for companies and upper class only).

        I hear you in terms of her policies being shit, but calling the worst President in our lifetime the same as a below-average Republican candidate is just equivocating and makes people less likely to hear what you have to say. There’s a lot of Republicans who are sick of Trump and do believe he’s a threat to Democracy, but when they hear that people think Haley and Trump are the same, it reinforces Trumps worst messages.

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          8 months ago

          So…

          Same polices?

          She’s just more dangerous because of the veneer of civility?

          That’s kind of what I meant. You have a small shot at seeing a bullet to the head coming. With a heart attack in your sleep you lay down thinking everything is normal and never wake.

          Still think it’s a good comparison, the result is still the same.

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            It’s not just about policy.

            Trump installed Kavanaugh and Barrett. Barrett is BLATANTLY unqualified due to lack of experience and Kavanaugh didn’t get a full background check. Like, I get that it sucks. But man the fuck up and wait for the background check or pick someone else. I highly doubt Kavanaugh was the only person on the short list. Trump et al just wants to turn everything into a “OMG democrats are on a witch hunt” moment.

            Trump has arguably incited an insurrection.

            Trump is blatantly abusing government resources.

            I find it hard to believe you think Haley would erode the country in the same way.

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              I agree… Trump also has a superpower of gathering attention. The dude loves it even when it’s all bad. It’s a massive gift to Republicans because they can do crazy shit but Trump takes all the air time.

              Trump is very skilled at absolutely wrenching attention away from everything else, even if he looks like a baffoon. Haley does not have that gene.