Key Points

  • President Joe Biden said the federal Medicare program should negotiate prices for at least 50 prescription drugs each year, up from the current target of 20 medicines.
  • That proposal is one of several new health-care policy plans Biden will outline during his State of the Union address Thursday.
  • But the fate of his new proposals will be in the hands of a divided Congress, making it highly uncertain whether they will pass into law.
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      8 months ago

      This is great news. And for everyone asking for “100%”, that’s not how politics works. Politics is “the art of the possible” not a magic wand that can make anything happen.

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      8 months ago

      He wasn’t talking about percentages though.

      Edit: I agree that more should be regulated, but you need to start with the critical ones first. It’s easier to negotiate from that standpoint and build up.

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        8 months ago

        Yea, but instead of fifty drugs we should negotiate on all if them.

        There is no reason other than corporate greed to not negotiate drug prices.

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        8 months ago

        Well, if you start with the 50 most used/highest line items on the budget… a lot of savings can be had.

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      8 months ago

      Honestly, I am always wondering why there is a negotiation at all. If Wal-Mart can get the away with telling the likes of Sony, Nestle, and Kraft how much THEY will be paying for the stock for their shelves, the fucking government can do it with abandon. Fuck these asshats. Like, who are they going to complain to besides their hand puppets in Congress and on the supreme court? The government should not be required to participate in the free market, especially if so many fuckwidgets want to tell them that they are not allowed to regulate it.

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    8 months ago

    Or we could just readdress healthcare since in 2008 we got a more conservative version of the Republican’s plan and then promptly forgot about ever improving it

    We need actual progressives to get shit done, Biden and other “moderates” just won’t even try, and want us to be happy for crumbs.

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      8 months ago

      Biden could be spontaneously replaced with Mao Zedong and that still wouldn’t suddenly make a Congress with a Republican House start passing laws.

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      8 months ago

      Healthcare reform is passed by Congress, not the president. So first you need 50, or better yet 60, Senators who are interested in getting it done.

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            8 months ago

            From 2007 to 2011 Democrats controlled both the house and the senate. Obama was president from 2008-2012.

            Democrats squandered it.

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              Democrats only had a Senate supermajority for 72 days.

              Furthermore, a supermajority of exactly 60 votes only allows Democrats to pass something that 100% of them support. And Lieberman did not support anything more far reaching than the ACA, such as a public option.

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              They had that? When did we have a progressive president for 2 terms, a Congress and a Senate that was all progressive. It hasn’t happened in my life

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                Democrats had a majority in the Senate and the house for four years. If you’re acknowledging that establishment Democrats are corrupt pieces of shit then I agree with you but it seems like you’re trying to avoid acknowledging that fact.

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      “Actual progressives” can’t get shit done because they can’t get elected.

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        Sometimes they get elected, but the system is so filled with corruption that it seems those progressive values are quickly abandoned. Justice Dems are, sadly, often good examples of this.

        We have to end the legalized bribery and get money out of politics before any true progressive agenda can be implemented.

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        “Actual progressives” can’t get shit done because they can’t get elected.

        But then the people who won’t vote for progressives browbeat progressives into voting for their pro-corporate trash candidates. Or scream and cry when their pro-corporate trash candidate loses in the general.

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    Really feels like it should be based on % difference from average costs paid by other industrialized nations. I have no frame of reference for whether drugs 21-50 are high margin enough to merit the costs of hiring people to research and negotiate. I assume they are but then like why not 51? Why not 3000? Why not 15? I can’t follow the logic if we’re just saying numbers of drugs.

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    8 months ago

    Health’care’ is such bullshit it’s infuriating. Wife and me, early to mid 30s, non smokers, no meds no pre existing conditions… $800 a month and it doesn’t pay for shit except for catastrophic.

    Meanwhile, these insurance companies are some of the most profitable companies on the planet.

    There should be a middle ground… maybe charge me $200 a month and still reap enormous profits. Not like I can ever charge them for anything unless my arm gets chopped off. Even if I lost an arm, something tells me they have the ‘bulk purchasing power’ to have an injury like that not cost much.

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      Hear me out. You shouldn’t have to pay anything, those companies shouldn’t exist and it should be government funded. - sincerely the rest of the western world

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        Oh I completely agree… I sadly just don’t expect that to happen in the good ol land of the free.

        The least they could do is completely screw us all at a rate of about one quarter of the current rates. That way I could at least forget about the complete absurdity of the whole situation for 5 seconds.