Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) said policy differences toward Israel between her and President Biden won’t stop her from supporting him in the November general election.
“Of course,” Omar said Tuesday, when asked by CNN’s Abby Phillip on “NewsNight” whether she would vote for Biden if the election were held that day, in a clip highlighted by Mediaite. “Democracy is on the line, we are facing down fascism.”
“And I personally know what my life felt like having Trump as the president of this country, and I know what it felt like for my constituents, and for people around this country and around the world,” Omar continued. “We have to do everything that we can to make sure that does not happen to our country again.”
No, I did not accept your arguments, I countered. Specifically, with the argument that our responses to being attacked do not qualify as fascist militarism, and our democracy is still in operation.
Then I elaborated that you are actually partly right. The US does have a fascist streak, a powerful one. And we have a huge nuke arsenal to boot.
Because of this, it is necessary to make sure the less fascist of the two candidates gets elected, yes? This is a practical way of fighting fascism. Some form of genuine pacifism would not be, unfortunately.
i don’t believe voting for fascists fights fascism.
this lady knew what to do:
https://kolektiva.social/@MNSpy@mastodon.online/112094592668905527
I think you’re just calling everything outside of pacifism fascism. Here’s wikipedia on it:
Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement,[1][2][3] characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.[2][3]
While in his long career Biden has done questionable things and made mistakes, he was accurately representing his constituents with them. This does not make him a fascist, just a flawed politician. You do not have to be the opposite of all things fascist just to not be a fascist, you know?
I definitely am not suggesting pacifism, and I challenge you to find me ever doing so.
Well, you claimed our military responses in the GWOT made us fascist. The only alternative would have been to bend over and just take it. That’s pacifism.
i assure i was not advocating pacifism. i am advocating the abolition of capital, wage slavery, and the state. i don’t think anyone ever confused that with “pacifism”
there are a thousand other responses besides military adventurism. some of them were used along side of it, including increased surveillance of innocent people, criminalizing vast swathes of the populace, and restricting movement of people and money.
you don’t need to “bend over and take it”. you could very well figure out whether maybe we did something to cause it, and fix the underlying issues.
Sure, and I do think fixing those underlying issues is very important. But once attacked, it’s bombing time, not reflection time. Then, how do you fight an organization that tries to hide its tracks? There’s practical requirements. That doesn’t make it fascism.
The GWOT was not Vietnam, we were attacked. People were warmongering hard, and so the government responded.
>But once attacked, it’s bombing time, not reflection time.
please seek help.
So, let’s re-condense again.
Sorry, but to do otherwise is actually pacifism. When attacked and thousands die, you find and kill the attackers. I think that’s not fascism. It’s a far cry from the system Mussolini invented.
your wikipedia definition is the same one i’d use to support my case so maybe one of us is politically illiterate.