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    1 year ago

    This is pretty much how Bush & USA justified pre-emptive strikes against non-existent WMDs. Russia don’t need to see their neighbors as friendly instead of neutral, and they definitely don’t need to conquer them just in case.

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          1 year ago

          What you said was completely unrelated and now you want to debate a different box. Classic western disinformation

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            1 year ago

            This is not a debate, nor was anything I said unrelated. US is as western as it gets and my comment shows contempt towards such actions. The same logic applies to both cases of unjustified per-emptive attacks.

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        That’s not whataboutism, both are wrong by the exact same standard, in America’s case we should have worked with the international community to ensure Iraq was unable to make progress in WMDs (if that’s what we actually cared about).

        In russia’s case they could just be nicer to their neighbors.

        If I abuse my wife and she leaves me for someone else, that’s not the fault of the wife or other man, that’s on me.

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          Bro did you even read the initial comment and my long answer to that? My whole point was that russia, was put into a geopolitical corner and had to react out of material reasons, independent of their leadership. You come up with “be nice to your neighbors” as if the USA doesn’t meddle with their peripheral states and tries to put up bases there. LOL I wish I could see the world as simple as darth vader vs luke skywalker like you do

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            Russia was put in a geopolitical corner.

            By russia.

            They attacked Georgia in 2008, they attacked ukraine in 2014.

            This is why nobody likes them and everybody wants to see them suffer, this is why so many countries were happy to give ukraine weapons if it meant Russian invaders would die.

            Russia is a bully nation, and we get to watch that most beautiful moment, when the bullied stands up and blasts their bully in the face with a himars.

            Putin won’t last through the year, the thunder run destroyed his aura of invulnerability, I look forward to watching him do his Nick II impression.

            Putin wasn’t ‘put in a position’, he’s the ruler of Russia, he has agency, and now we get to watch the Russian people pay the price for his stupidity.