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Q: why not organize and stop treating the bus as a legitimate entity? why aren’t you working to stop the bus?

A: do both. cut the fuel line. break windows. put oatmeal in the gas tank. but maybe your efforts don’t succeed this election cycle. and if so don’t fucking throw away your vote if it can help your neighbors fucking survive. “harm reduction” is not a political strategy for action. it is a last minute, end of the line decision to save lives, after all other resources have been exhausted.

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          7 months ago

          I’m German. I really hope you guys don’t vote for the fascist this time, but seeing comments like yours make me extremely happy that my partner emigrated from the US instead of still being there.

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                  I’m doing the moral calculations. Fuck Biden, but fuck Trump more. If I vote for Biden, millions suffer. If I vote for Trump (or waste my vote so he wins), even more suffer. Doesn’t take too much evaluating to pick being slapped in the face vs bring punched in the face.

                  I absolutely support the undecided campaign in the primaries to put pressure on Biden, but putting pressure on him and the DNC by letting Trump be in charge for another 4 years is a terrible idea. Even without Trump in office the GOP is quickly eroding even the semblance of democracy we’ve had for a while, but with 4 years of Trump accelerating that I think this would be the last time my vote even slightly matters. Then I’d also need to evacuate from the country because I’m trans and don’t want them ruining my life. I’m voting for Biden in the general to avoid that, and then afterwards I guess I have to figure out what I can even do about the still-evolving bad situation that I helped successfully slow.

                  If reducing suffering and not letting an impossible perfect be the enemy of the better is amoral, I don’t understand your definition of moral. I’m a utilitarian if you couldn’t tell.

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                    > I’m a utilitarian if you couldn’t tell.

                    oh my. how do you deal with the fact that the future is unknowable, so the morality of all actions is also unknowable?

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          I understand your position and hate that we live in a shitty world where that choice is forced on people, but from what i see it from here, you guys have a choice between choosing the guy who’s not good but is at least doing some good, and the active fascist idolizing Hitler, with every neutral vote being effectively helping the fascist.

          Not much of a choice, yes, but that’s where you are, and any vote not going to the not good guy will help the fascist. So that’s your choice, will you choose to fly over the cliff along with everybody else in the rest of the car or help avoiding that?

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            Biden isn’t doing any harm reduction for anyone right now. Maintaining the status quo will just put us right back here in 2-4 years time. Holding Biden’s feet ti the fire and making him implement actual harm reduction now in return for voting for him in November is what any sane voting block needs to do.

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        7 months ago

        The Democrats have been less terrible than the GOP for decades now. They need to actually start offering solutions and helping people though. The Democrats need to actually earn votes, not just shame you for voting for Republicans

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          Though I agree that would be ideal, it also takes more work than just saying “see those guys want to make your life worse, we might not do that openly, vote for us because there’s no other choice”

          Humans are lazy, and power hungry. Even Democrats.

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            The Democrats know who they need to vote for them, and those people have made it clear what they want. There are no “moderate” Republicans that are gonna vote Biden, so he needs to actually listen to the people who will vote for him and give them what they want. And they want it now because they aren’t gonna fall for the the Democrat bait and switch anymore.

            People can get as mad as they want about people using their vote to get what they want, but that’s literally hiw the system is designed to work.

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              so he needs to actually listen to the people who will vote for him and give them what they want

              Why? It’s more work. And who are you gonna vote for anyways? Someone else that will end up with Drumpf again?

              Like I said, humans are lazy and power hungry.

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      I guarantee you that trump isn’t going to save the brown people in the middle east. We don’t have to compare it to ice cream then. How about voting between killing brown people vs killing brown people, subjugation women, and taking from the working class to give to our oligarchs. Does that help make it clearer?

      The point is not voting helps the second result move along

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        And who are the Democrats and who are the GOP in your analogy? Because both do a fine job of checking off all of those boxes.

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        pretty sure biden was president when roe v wade was overturned, so i don’t see how giving him power again would help the women you’re mentioning. also pretty sure biden has been helping oversee the oppression of the working class from dc for about 50 years, so i am not exactly convinced he’s going to do anything about it if he literally can’t lose any more elections.

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          You do realize that trump put 3 Supreme Court justices and flipped the court right?? Do trump supporters just not understand cause and effect?

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            The depressing thing is that not only Trump supporters but most people in my experience do not have a firm grasp on cause and effect, especially politically and historically