• slurpyslop@kbin.social
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    6 months ago

    the math is pretty clear

    for the immediate next election cycle, yes

    for the next time there’s a palestine, very much no

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      6 months ago

      Palestine is a relatively unique situation. Reminder a lot of boomers grew up knowing folks who experienced the holocaust, this creates a relatively annoying situation where they dont want to repeat the past which causes near unilateral support for Israel. It aint a position reached by logic or reason but by raw and very stupid emotions. Also the weird ass Christians trying to start Armageddon, but I want to lock them in a church and burn it down morals be damned because they legit fucking scare me and also piss me off.

      My point is that this situation is pretty fucken unique. For fucks sake the US is giving a good bit of support to Armenia and the Armenians are nominally aligned with fucken Russia and against Turkey our ally, mind you the Turks have the same ability as the English with pissing everyone off.

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        6 months ago

        I’m genuinely surprised you kept talking to them after it was clear they’re arguing in bad faith.

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          6 months ago

          Im a Scottish descended Redneck, im stubborn and dense enough that one of my preferred tactics in a fight is to headbutt. I will outlast even the most bad faith motherfucker due to these two reasons.

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        6 months ago

        palestine is a unique situation? buddy there’s literally three attempted genocides going on at the moment. it’s not unique by any stretch of the imagination

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            6 months ago

            Not really. In detail, maybe, but there will always be an excuse available to avoid committing US resources to any given genocide.

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              Yes, but non-committal is different from active assistance for eighty plus years. Without the whole eighty plus years of support for the genociders its a lot easier to get to the help the people getting genocided. Hell I would say even with that some countries are on far thinner ice compared to Israel, like Turkey.

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                6 months ago

                that’s the thing though, they don’t need to “get help to” palestine, they just need to stop actively supporting israel in its genocide

                you think the appetite is going to be there for actually committing resources somewhere when they can’t even just do nothing?

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                  The problem is that diplomacy and foreign policy have weight and momentum, to even get to the do nothing stage you first have to kill said momentum to enough of a degree so as to seperate oneself. Its shit but its always been true, politics and diplomacy are rarely ever simple, even Rome had to play diplomacy with the Persians.

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                    6 months ago

                    rome famously neglected diplomacy, but in either case once you get rid of the mental gymnastics your argument boils down to “it’s too hard so we shouldn’t try”