I deleted this comment because I realized I don’t actually wanna take part in an extremely tribal ethno-religious debate. I’ll just say the following things everyone should agree on:
Any government anywhere that holds one ethnicity or religion above another is fundamentally wrong and oppressive
Everyone who minds their own business has a right to be safe from violence
Maximizing good things and minimizing bad things is good, obviously. But this also applies to voting.
That first point gets so lost it boggles my mind. “Isreal has a right to exist as a Jewish state” say our American leaders. I’m sorry, when did the American government, with the principle of seperation of church and state in its constitution, decide that we’re going to defend, I need cheer on, another country organizing its government and individual rights around who is subscribed to the right religion? Like da fuck, “X country has a right to exist as a Y religion state” is just entirely contrary to core American values.
But when politicians say it, when democrats say it, when Chuck Schumer says it, no journalist is like, hey so why are we supporting a country with a two tiered system of rights based on religion? It doesn’t even come up, it’s a given, it’s a table stakes position. I feel like a missed something in history class about how the US came to that default position. My best guess in the holocaust happened, so therefore jews in Isreal get a free pass on running rough shod over the rights of the religious minority in their territory indefinitely?
To be clear, nothing against Jewish people or the Jewish religion or any of that. What ever wild and wacky god you want to worship or set of books you want to put your faith in, as long as your not hurting anyone else, I don’t give a shit. We’re all trying to cope with being born on this blue marble without explanation or instruction in our own way, so if religion does something for you, who am I to yuck your yum.
I’m just not a fan of a government organized around religion at the expense of the religious minority population. And I don’t think it’s consistent with American value to be cheering that on or asserting that some particular religion has a “right” to their own state. And I certainly don’t think when that country rounds up their religious minority, puts walls around them, controls everything that goes into or out of their open air prison, that the US should be sending the religious majority bombs to drop on the religious minority. Kind of objectively fucked up if you ask me.
minding your buisness and not preventing fascist dictators has as a consequence that violence will be enacted wether you want it or not silence is violence not because of some ideals but because of the way reality is
I deleted this comment because I realized I don’t actually wanna take part in an extremely tribal ethno-religious debate. I’ll just say the following things everyone should agree on:
That first point gets so lost it boggles my mind. “Isreal has a right to exist as a Jewish state” say our American leaders. I’m sorry, when did the American government, with the principle of seperation of church and state in its constitution, decide that we’re going to defend, I need cheer on, another country organizing its government and individual rights around who is subscribed to the right religion? Like da fuck, “X country has a right to exist as a Y religion state” is just entirely contrary to core American values.
But when politicians say it, when democrats say it, when Chuck Schumer says it, no journalist is like, hey so why are we supporting a country with a two tiered system of rights based on religion? It doesn’t even come up, it’s a given, it’s a table stakes position. I feel like a missed something in history class about how the US came to that default position. My best guess in the holocaust happened, so therefore jews in Isreal get a free pass on running rough shod over the rights of the religious minority in their territory indefinitely?
To be clear, nothing against Jewish people or the Jewish religion or any of that. What ever wild and wacky god you want to worship or set of books you want to put your faith in, as long as your not hurting anyone else, I don’t give a shit. We’re all trying to cope with being born on this blue marble without explanation or instruction in our own way, so if religion does something for you, who am I to yuck your yum.
I’m just not a fan of a government organized around religion at the expense of the religious minority population. And I don’t think it’s consistent with American value to be cheering that on or asserting that some particular religion has a “right” to their own state. And I certainly don’t think when that country rounds up their religious minority, puts walls around them, controls everything that goes into or out of their open air prison, that the US should be sending the religious majority bombs to drop on the religious minority. Kind of objectively fucked up if you ask me.
minding your buisness and not preventing fascist dictators has as a consequence that violence will be enacted wether you want it or not silence is violence not because of some ideals but because of the way reality is
Or specifically in this case and paraphrasing somebody else adaptation on this and the original author’s whole point:
“First they came for Palestinians but because I was not a Palestinian I did nothing”
I like this because it is so flexible. Who’s the fascist? What constitutes minding your business and doing nothing?
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The person I replied to changed their comment and it no longer applied, I deleted it out of courtesy.