• TWeaK@lemm.ee
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    10 months ago

    This article doesn’t know what it’s talking about. Aside from thr MCAS debacle, issues with the 737 Max are primarily about build quality. The plug door fell off because it literally wasn’t bolted down.

    The issue isn’t that the plane is a flawed design (although the engines were definitely shoehorned on in a suboptimal way), it’s that it’s not being assembled correctly. This can be rectified with a comprehensive check - the main question is whether Boeing should be trusted to do this.

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      10 months ago

      The plane is poorly designed and has a number of issues other than build quality.

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        10 months ago

        I agree it has lots of issues, sure, and those issues should have been resolved (and were likely even raised, but ignored by higher ups) at design stage. However, are those issues significant enough that the plane should be scrapped? A $50M+ product, thrown away? I don’t think so. I think those issues absolutely can be resolved - the core design, of course, is the same 737 that has been successful for decades.

        The cost of solving those issues is far less than the cost of scrapping the airplane.

        The only fundamental problem with the design is the position of the engines. They don’t fit under the wings, so they’re placed further forwards, which in turn creates a pitch momentum that varies depending on thrust. This can and has been resolved, even if the initial solution was terrible. It maybe still needs work (I’m not sure if they gave MCAS access to 3 sensors yet, rather than just 1) but this solution is arguably better than making a completely new plane.

        But yeah I’d still rather fly on an Airbus, these days.

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          10 months ago

          Having a software fix for aerodynamic issues is still concerning. But things like the engine de-ice destroying the spinner is just another unintuitive change that pilots have to adapt to that will likely lead to further issues. I don’t care what the cost of the product is, if Boeing made a bad investment that’s their responsibility, we can’t continue to allow such a dangerous product to continue to be used for a critical industry just because the manufacture made poor decisions.

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            10 months ago

            It’s not just Boeing’s investment, though, it’s all the companies who bought them and the airlines who lease them. That’s a lot of business to scupper, and I think getting the planes in working order should still be cheaper.

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    10 months ago

    Moreover, leaked internal documents from 2015-18 have revealed that employees who worked on the Max planes believed the design was unsound. Hundreds of internal messages showed them referring to the “piss-poor design” and one “designed by clowns” who were “supervised by monkeys”.

    Well, that’s . . . not good.

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    10 months ago

    IMO the biggest issue with aerospace industry is brain drain from both boomer retirement, much better options for new aerospace engineers besides Boeing.

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      10 months ago

      It’s actually that Boeing used to be a company led by engineers, but then Wall Street types got their hands on it and now it’s run by MBAs.