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    And in the same turn, consumers can’t buy a product that doesn’t exist. Until more environmentally friendly products are on the market made by the producers, consumers don’t have a real choice, abstention is not a viable choice.

    I still need food, I require the ability to move those groceries from the shop to my car to my house, but if no one produces an environmentally friendly way to do so then I’m at the mercy of the plastic bags, bottles, containers, and wrapping I’ve been provided.

    Just like we couldn’t use unleaded gasoline until they started making unleaded gasoline.

    Just like we can’t start using renuable energy until they start making renuable energy.

    Just like we can’t recycle our waste because we don’t have the infrastructure to recycle our waste.

    Just like we can’t take mass transport that hasn’t been built, or use green energy infrastructure that doesn’t exist, or buy products without plastic that don’t exist.

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      The idea that there is only two options: do nothing or do 100 %, is a comfort zone. People who argue for personal responsibility argue that everyone should do as much as they can.

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        And those that argue for corporate and government responsibility do too, with the addition that they are smart enough to recognise personal responsibility isn’t enough and isn’t possible at scale without systemic change.

        It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s that you’re wasting your breath preaching to a choir that has additional comprehension.

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      I require the ability to move those groceries from the shop to my car to my house, but if no one produces an environmentally friendly way to do so then I’m at the mercy of the plastic bags, bottles, containers, and wrapping I’ve been provided.

      Bruh have you never heard of reusable bags? Made of cloth? Or even just bringing your plastic bags back to the store?

      You’re right about most of these things, but those aren’t the types of things I’m referring to.

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        Bruh have you heard of packaging? Go buy a packet of chips in something that isn’t plastic, good luck purchasing those and toting them out in your reusable bag with that handful of sour cream, and pocket full of frozen peas.

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            And those that argue for corporate and government responsibility do the things you are referring to, with the addition that they are smart enough to recognise personal responsibility isn’t enough and isn’t possible at scale without systemic change.

            It’s not that you’re wrong, it’s that you’re wasting your breath preaching to a choir that has additional comprehension.

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              Except that they clearly don’t, or they wouldn’t say such absurd things.

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                Except we do because I am one. Reusable bag using government responsibility pusher right here. So instead of being disingenuously belligerent, check your ego at the recycling center. Oh wait, they haven’t built one.

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                  Then maybe say what you mean instead of telling people who are responsible that they aren’t.

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                    I did say what I mean, your lack of comprehension and inability to ask clarifying questions is a you problem.