• jimmydoreisalefty@lemmy.world
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    At this moment, with the Democratic convention just 39 days away, the only question worth discussing is whether Biden or Harris is the best candidate the Democrats have to beat Trump.

    It is more likely that Trump will beat both when it comes to just focusing on winning.

    The long-term goal should be to build a grass-roots third party so as to break the duopoly.

    Dozens of us will continue to vote for that long-term goal.

    Say no to MAGA and Blue MAGA.

    We should focus our actions, time, and resources on Direct Action, Mutual Aid, and Community Outreach… No War but Class War!

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        I for real don’t get how they cannot see that it is just identifying the person saying it as a shill (if the rest of the message didn’t give it away somehow). Far far more that than any of the intended effect that it might have on the discourse

        Idk, plenty of dumb shit has made its way into the discourse, so maybe I am the one that is wrong and if they just keep repeating it enough it will have some kind of intended impact. But I cannot imagine it working for them in a good way. It’s just too transparent and dumb.

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      build a grass-roots third party

      I 100% agree with this, but good fuckin luck with that when Trump is shooting protestors and elections are cancelled until further notice

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      Long term goals aren’t up for discussion; we need to win in the next few months, or we’ll face another existential threat. This idiotic shit could get people killed.

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      That’s what I did in 2016 and now our system is trending towards a fascist dictatorship with zero checks and balances and outright contempt for voting and voting rights. Any long-term goal is still predicated on having a functional democracy, which is essentially what this election decides, so don’t make the same mistake of making a hardline rush to the finish line while ignoring the leopards waiting to eat your face

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      A third party isn’t an option.

      Vote Blue and, when they win, primary the hell out of your local reps, replacing neoliberal candidates at every level. Get every progressive candidate you can, be it for president or dog-catcher.

      Basically, do what the Tea Party and MAGA did to the Republicans. Change the party from within.

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        Caveat: we don’t want this last part to happen the same as it went down over in R camp because (simplified) the og grassroots tea party was terraformed by moneyed interests into the maga it is today.

        I really don’t have a good idea on how leftists trying to build a coalition would respond to this continuing attack on our democracy in a legal way.

        Moot point atm i suppose

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      A third party won’t fix the issue, as long as you’ve got FPTP voting it’s gonna be a two horse race. You need the popular vote and you need proportional representation, and the only way to get those is by working from the ground up.