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    Harris is not pro-Genocide. Trump is.

    “Let me be very clear: I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment to Israel’s defense and its ability to defend itself, and that’s not going to change,”

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    “They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to – you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”

    One of those two people is going to be the next President.

    Harris believes, rightly, that Israel has the right to defend itself the same as any other country.

    The problem is, they haven’t actually been engaging in defense for some time now. That’s the fault with Israel and Bibi, not Harris.

    Trump believes Gaza needs to be exterminated fast and would bring the worst Israeli policies here.

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      2 months ago

      Harris is just as much pro genocide as Trump is. Out of one side of their mouth, they talk ceasefire, as they have just completed their 500th military weapons drop to Israel. That’s why Democrats cannot be trusted. We have listened to what they said and then watched what they do.

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        Absolutely, actions speak louder than words, and both parties have shown their true colors by fueling conflicts while pretending to advocate for peace.

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      Harris is not pro-Genocide. Trump is.

      “Let me be very clear: I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment to Israel’s defense and its ability to defend itself, and that’s not going to change,”

      Blatant genocide denial. Israels “defending itself” is conducting a genocide. She has “unwavering commitment” to that cause.

      Harris believes, rightly, that Israel has the right to defend itself the same as any other country.

      Yes, even if their definition of defense is conducting a genocide, she will not oppose them in that cause, she is pro Genocide.

      The problem is, they haven’t actually been engaging in defense for some time now. That’s the fault with Israel and Bibi, not Harris.

      And she has been supporting them while vowing to keep sending them weapons. That is on Harris, she supports their genocide and will continue aiding them in conducting it. She’s pro Genocide.

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      Trump believes Gaza needs to be exterminated fast

      Fast genocide and slow genocide, both are still genocide. Unless you’re arguing that since Israel hasn’t “exterminated them fast” that they haven’t been conducting a genocide…which it sounds like you actually do believe but don’t want to admit to.

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        It’s not genocide denial. Historically, Israel has been attacked from all sides and the position of the US government, since Israel’s creation, is that they have the right to exist and the right to defend themselves.

        The problem is, under the Likud party, in Gaza and other territory, Israel moved from defense to offense. We supply them in good faith and they use those supplies in bad faith.

        That is NOT the same thing as “ZOMG! You support genocide!”

        If Iran decides to legit attack Israel, they will, and should, defend themselves with our weapons.

        The problem is that’s not what they are using them for, and that’s on THEM. Not Harris.

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          since Israel’s creation, is that they have the right to exist and the right to defend themselves.

          You lie that right when you become a genocidal apartheid state. Israel has as much right to exist and defend itself as Nazi Germany did.

          The problem is, under the Likud party, in Gaza and other territory, Israel moved from defense to offense. We supply them in good faith and they use those supplies in bad faith.

          So we see how they are actively using the weapons for genocide and continue providing them…that’s arming a genocide.

          We don’t give them in good faith. We aren’t stupid, we see them doing genocide with the weapons and continue to send them, we are sending the supplies for bad reasons…

          Remember the “humanitarian pier” we built that was put up, used to conduct a massacre, and taken down without delivering any aide?..

          That is NOT the same thing as “ZOMG! You support genocide!”

          What is it if not exactly them supporting genocide? Is there a genocide? Did they stop providing support?

          If there is a genocide and they are supporting the ones carrying out the genocide, they are supporting a genocide…so which aspect are you denying?

          The problem is that’s not what they are using them for, and that’s on THEM. Not Harris.

          You say this like we can’t decide to stop sending them weapons. If they started using the weapons to attack us directly, we would stop arming them and even go to war most likely.

          We just don’t deem a genocide as bad enough to warrant stopping aid…

          I really don’t see how you can’t understand how gross this defense of genocide is. Just imagine:

          It’s not genocide denial. Historically, Germany has been attacked from all sides (WW1) and the position of the US government, since post WW1 Germanys creation, is that they have the right to exist and the right to defend themselves.

          The problem is, under the Nazi party, in Aushwitz and other territory, Germany moved from defense to offense. We supply them in good faith and they use those supplies in bad faith.

          That is NOT the same thing as “ZOMG! You support genocide!”

          If the USSR decides to legit attack Germany, they will, and should, defend themselves with our weapons.

          The problem is that’s not what they are using them for, and that’s on THEM. Not FDR…

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            Every soverign nation has the right to self defense. Where Israel is going astray is the the same way the US went astray following 9/11… attacking and killing the wrong people and committing war crimes.

            If Israel was ONLY targeting Hamas, nobody would have a problem with that.

            The problem is the people in power in Israel see the Hamas takeover in 2007 as “Well, they’re all Hamas.”

            https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111

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              Every soverign nation has the right to self defense. Where Israel is going astray is the the same way the US went astray following 9/11… attacking and killing the wrong people and committing war crimes.

              Where Israel is going astray is the fact that they are an apartheid state (and always have been) and are performing a genocide.

              As bad as we were after 9/11, we weren’t doing that.

              If Israel was ONLY targeting Hamas, nobody would have a problem with that.

              Yeah, in an alternate reality where they weren’t committing genocide, nobody would care. We don’t live in that reality, they are performing genocide and we are helping.

              Stop trying to pretend they aren’t with hypotheticals.

              The problem is the people in power in Israel see the Hamas takeover in 2007 as “Well, they’re all Hamas.”

              Yes, they are doing genocide. We should stop them, or at least stop arming and supporting their genocide.

              I still genuinely fail to see how this isn’t blatant genocide denial when you are actively trying to justify Israels ongoing genocide and our support for it. Wtf.