• Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    If you answered yes to both

    I answered no to both.

    Do you want to give Trump more voters?

    The only argument any centrist has when they move to the right like they all want to.

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      2 months ago

      So you don’t believe they need the popular vote to win and you believe that the Republicans would be better at defending trans rights?

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        2 months ago

        I don’t accept that defending trans SAFETY is a losing election issue.

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          Have you spent any time in right wing spaces, or listened to the new generation describing themselves as “classical liberals”. They’re swing voters and it’s pretty important to them.

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          It is when that’s considered woke and you’ve got a ton of your own electors that have been brainwashed into thinking woke bad

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              If your goal is to not let the Republicans win? Just look at what the Democrats at the various levels of government are actually doing even though they never make it a point to talk about it while they’re campaigning and understand that there’s a fucking good reason why they don’t.

              Hell, you need to be pretty self centered to believe that trans people are the only repressed people that don’t get talked about but still benefit from having the Democrats in power vs the Republicans. They can’t cover every single group.

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                If your goal is to not let the Republicans win?

                A. The goal should be to achieve progress, not win elections

                B. That involves making the case for that progress, not capitulating to popular opinion that’s been fabricated by conservative media

                But that’s only if you’re not operating on a dialectical-materialist political analysis, because if you were you’d understand that real progress can’t be made through simple electoral victories. Abandoning minority protections in exchange for electoral power is how America has operated since its founding.

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        I believe that the popular vote isn’t sufficient to win, as it wasn’t when Clinton lost with the popular vote.

        I believe Democrats won’t protect trans rights, either.

        You’ve chosen to be dishonest as fuck about my positions.

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          She didn’t get the popular vote where it mattered, popular vote is still what is needed

          So you think it’s just as likely they won’t protect trans right as it is likely the Republicans won’t? Because that was the question.

          Looking at Democrat’s States vs Republican States it’s pretty clear you’re wrong about that second part.

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            She didn’t get the popular vote where it mattered, popular vote is still what is needed

            Trump won without it.

            So you think it’s just as likely they won’t protect trans right as it is likely the Republicans won’t?

            I don’t trust either of them at all on this issue. I think they’re just itching to throw another vulnerable minority under the bus like they did with the undocumented immigrants you’re using Republican talking points about.

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              Again, she didn’t get the popular vote WHERE IT MATTERED, first past the post still requires popular vote, just not at a national level.

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                Again, she didn’t get the popular vote WHERE IT MATTERED

                That wasn’t the question I initially answered, is it?