• dodgy_bagel@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Fellas, is it a crime to advocate for the assassination of the current vice president?

    Because that could be another one of Donald’s charges. Just saying.

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      Biden/Kamala

      Not just the current vice president. The current President of the United States.

      Easy to forget in this lunacy of an election campaign, but Biden is still president.

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      no, but it’ll kill your career to joke about the assassination of a former president, because in this country we believe in double standards.

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        Conservatives love the quote “the shrub of freedom needs to be watered with the blood of parrots from a time to another time”, so they’ve got a healthy dosage of normalizing violence.

        They also LARP about Rome, which had a long and storied tradition of assassination. Famously, citizens of the republic were encouraged to strangle anyone who tried to become King… right up until they didn’t.

        Anyway, the Romans weren’t always monsters; they just usually were.

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          The United States is the truest successor to Rome, just the Roman republic. While others called themselves czar or Kaiser, we completely failed to create a functioning society but failed upwards by dint of knocking everyone else down

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      Typically the first amendment is going to protect you when you say most things. The types of things you definitely don’t want to say are specific threats.

      But there was a sad situation in Colorado where the courts ruled that a guy could be locked up for saying that he wished that bad things fell upon some judges, even though he definitely didn’t say or imply that he was going to do them. So if you want to rely on the Colorado precedent, maybe there’s something to work with, but it’s a pretty terrible precedent.

      That all being said, let’s not wish death on anyone. Even if it’s someone who’s done horrible things, let’s just wish that they’re forced to retire early and either get locked up in prison, if they committed crimes, or live out there lives in miserable condition in some community that we never have to visit or think about.

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        The big thing seems to be “is there reason to believe that the person saying this believes it will cause people to illegally act in accordance”. I’m some lady on the internet, if I say Nazis should be punched I don’t think I’m going to convince anyone to actually do it, instead I think I’m contributing to a cultural milieu of hostility towards fascists. Elon musk has fans, he has a legitimate platform. He has every reason to think someone might shoot the vice president over this, especially since he’s calling to the same group that has already attempted to shoot the other presidential candidate twice in three months, and particularly because that group in question is people who voted for that guy.