I’d pull up statistics on movie ticket sales versus comic book sales and point out that the movie outsold the comics by (conservatively) 200 to 1, but there’s no point bringing facts into an argument against a troll.
Most of the media, leading the charge on the outrage, are people who consider themselves fans of the material, and claim they aren’t racist for being upset over the change, just mad that they didn’t respect source. Then you look over their channel and there is not one single video, where they do this, when source material is whitewashed. Even though there is plenty of that, in the stuff they claim they are only upset over, because the source material wasn’t respected.
These are the people who stoke this outrage, they often started as straight fan media, but found out ranting about people of color, and gay people, being in media made a lot more money. Communities centered around the fanbase, for these things, are hotbeds of this behavior. There is no way you can make this argument, about these people. The people introduced to the media, by the movies, get mad because of these people.
I don’t know how you can not know this, and claim enough familiarity with audience statitics to make your argument. So I agree with others saying you are likely going out of your way to make this seem not racist.
I won’t dispute that there are some genuinely awful people masquerading as media critics on YouTube nowadays (coughcoughcriticaldrinkercoughnerdrotic), or that there is a chunk of the population who simply tune into their ragebait in search of opinions to plug into their brains. Those “media critics” could be comic book fans. I wouldn’t know, I don’t watch their channels. But if that were the sole driving force, why wasn’t there a conservative outcry when Nick Fury, who was white in some comics and black in others, was portrayed by Samuel L. Jackson in the MCU? I find it difficult to believe conservative talking heads would ever pass up an excuse to complain about something like that if there was any kernel of truth to it.
More importantly, why was there backlash against Ariel from people on the left who did not object to Miles Morales?
There absolutely was a conservative freak out over black Nick Fury. It happened when super hero comics were not full blown mainstream yet. Also before hyper centralized social media. So it wasn’t really a talking point outside of niche spaces. Like any specific anger, over a single character, it was drowned in the flood of the next outrages. After so many years it is now just who Nick Fury is, because he was black when super hero media truly broke into the mainstream. It is easier to get people mad about things they are used to, changing, rather than try to get them mad that Nick was made black before gen z really became the primary consumer of marvel media.
However, in 2001, it was a hot button issue at the comic book store. I heared many racist rants about it.
Okay. I’ll concede that first point, and that conservatives fit the meme perfectly. I’m pretty sure the meme isn’t exclusively talking about conservatives, though. What about the second point?
More than conservatives are racist. A LOT of people fall into racist practices without even understanding that they are. Just because you aren’t being intentional, doesn’t mean what you are doing isn’t racist. This is why systemic racism exists. People default to recognizing when something is happening to them, but not so much others. They do what is best for them, assuming it works best for everyone, and are unaware of the harm it does. They see that white characters get changed, because they notice things that affect white their own. Then they get mad, because their surface level understanding of whitewashing, isn’t enough to grasp that these are not the same thing. So they go “hey, why when make non-white white, bad, but when white made non-white, not bad?” They then don’t have the information, and critical thinking tools, on the subject, to understand eliminating representation of minority populations, in their society, does a lot of harm to those communities, that changing the odd majority figure out, does not.
If being mad about Ariel being a different race in the remake is solely attributable to racism, why weren’t they mad about Miles Morales?
I’m not mad because Ariel is black now. I’m mad because they changed her race rather than create a new character. I’d be more mad if a black character became white in a remake.
With Aeriel they made it VERY clear that race was the reason so many people were mad. Literally said it was because they race swapped her. The complaints about the actress completely drowned out the, continued, complaints of yet another remake. There were a lot of people mad about Morales. It wasn’t as hammered home, but it was there. Then it did well, so the grift dropped it, and moved on. It also doesn’t matter if there weren’t. Just because you can cherry pick a handful of instances where it wasn’t the case, does not dismiss the long, consistent, history of there being far more outrage, amonst white people, over white/male characters being race/gender swapped, than there is about whitewashing.
If the key reason people are mad about a movie, is because it is bad, then the bad script/acting/directing/etc will be the forefront of the conversation. Not the race/gender swap, and other reasons brought up as a reaction to being called bigots.
I am a silly little ignorant guy therefore everyone else is a silly little ignorant guy, I am the very model of a modern human.
I’d pull up statistics on movie ticket sales versus comic book sales and point out that the movie outsold the comics by (conservatively) 200 to 1, but there’s no point bringing facts into an argument against a troll.
Most of the media, leading the charge on the outrage, are people who consider themselves fans of the material, and claim they aren’t racist for being upset over the change, just mad that they didn’t respect source. Then you look over their channel and there is not one single video, where they do this, when source material is whitewashed. Even though there is plenty of that, in the stuff they claim they are only upset over, because the source material wasn’t respected.
These are the people who stoke this outrage, they often started as straight fan media, but found out ranting about people of color, and gay people, being in media made a lot more money. Communities centered around the fanbase, for these things, are hotbeds of this behavior. There is no way you can make this argument, about these people. The people introduced to the media, by the movies, get mad because of these people.
I don’t know how you can not know this, and claim enough familiarity with audience statitics to make your argument. So I agree with others saying you are likely going out of your way to make this seem not racist.
I won’t dispute that there are some genuinely awful people masquerading as media critics on YouTube nowadays (coughcoughcriticaldrinkercoughnerdrotic), or that there is a chunk of the population who simply tune into their ragebait in search of opinions to plug into their brains. Those “media critics” could be comic book fans. I wouldn’t know, I don’t watch their channels. But if that were the sole driving force, why wasn’t there a conservative outcry when Nick Fury, who was white in some comics and black in others, was portrayed by Samuel L. Jackson in the MCU? I find it difficult to believe conservative talking heads would ever pass up an excuse to complain about something like that if there was any kernel of truth to it.
More importantly, why was there backlash against Ariel from people on the left who did not object to Miles Morales?
There absolutely was a conservative freak out over black Nick Fury. It happened when super hero comics were not full blown mainstream yet. Also before hyper centralized social media. So it wasn’t really a talking point outside of niche spaces. Like any specific anger, over a single character, it was drowned in the flood of the next outrages. After so many years it is now just who Nick Fury is, because he was black when super hero media truly broke into the mainstream. It is easier to get people mad about things they are used to, changing, rather than try to get them mad that Nick was made black before gen z really became the primary consumer of marvel media.
However, in 2001, it was a hot button issue at the comic book store. I heared many racist rants about it.
Okay. I’ll concede that first point, and that conservatives fit the meme perfectly. I’m pretty sure the meme isn’t exclusively talking about conservatives, though. What about the second point?
More than conservatives are racist. A LOT of people fall into racist practices without even understanding that they are. Just because you aren’t being intentional, doesn’t mean what you are doing isn’t racist. This is why systemic racism exists. People default to recognizing when something is happening to them, but not so much others. They do what is best for them, assuming it works best for everyone, and are unaware of the harm it does. They see that white characters get changed, because they notice things that affect white their own. Then they get mad, because their surface level understanding of whitewashing, isn’t enough to grasp that these are not the same thing. So they go “hey, why when make non-white white, bad, but when white made non-white, not bad?” They then don’t have the information, and critical thinking tools, on the subject, to understand eliminating representation of minority populations, in their society, does a lot of harm to those communities, that changing the odd majority figure out, does not.
If being mad about Ariel being a different race in the remake is solely attributable to racism, why weren’t they mad about Miles Morales?
I’m not mad because Ariel is black now. I’m mad because they changed her race rather than create a new character. I’d be more mad if a black character became white in a remake.
With Aeriel they made it VERY clear that race was the reason so many people were mad. Literally said it was because they race swapped her. The complaints about the actress completely drowned out the, continued, complaints of yet another remake. There were a lot of people mad about Morales. It wasn’t as hammered home, but it was there. Then it did well, so the grift dropped it, and moved on. It also doesn’t matter if there weren’t. Just because you can cherry pick a handful of instances where it wasn’t the case, does not dismiss the long, consistent, history of there being far more outrage, amonst white people, over white/male characters being race/gender swapped, than there is about whitewashing.
If the key reason people are mad about a movie, is because it is bad, then the bad script/acting/directing/etc will be the forefront of the conversation. Not the race/gender swap, and other reasons brought up as a reaction to being called bigots.