• Mongostein@lemmy.ca
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    21 days ago

    Before states if someone murdered your friend it would either split the tribe and/or you’d go to war with the tribe that killed your friend. Is that really better?

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        21 days ago

        I’m not sure where anyone suggested that people had to trust that crime doesn’t exist.

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            21 days ago

            It’s one of the major themes of the source that you linked.

            The many stories, past and present, that demonstrate how anarchy works have been suppressed and distorted because of the revolutionary conclusions we might draw from them. We can live in a society with no bosses, masters, politicians, or bureaucrats; a society with no judges, no police, and no criminals, no rich or poor; a society free of sexism, homophobia, and transphobia; a society in which the wounds from centuries of enslavement, colonialism, and genocide are finally allowed to heal. The only things stopping us are the prisons, programming, and paychecks of the powerful, as well as our own lack of faith in ourselves.

            Every society is going to have some criminals. Lack of access to things people need to survive is a major reason for commission of crimes, but it is not the only reason. Plenty of people do illegal things just because they feel like it. Some people are pathological liars. If a society cannot deal with those, it will eventually fail. Obviously crime will go down by (throwing a number out) a factor of at least five once the magical socialist utopia is in place, but to argue that it will entirely disappear is hopelessly naive.

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              20 days ago

              Again, I’m not sure why you think anyone is saying that crime won’t exist or that people won’t have to deal with criminals.

              You know, its almost, almost as if you’re making up a position no one is taking and then arguing against that instead.

              Well, I say almost…

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                20 days ago

                maybe if i make this short enough you’ll actually read the whole thing

                a society with no judges, no police, and no criminals

                how

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                  20 days ago

                  Oh, I read the whole thing. I’m just dodging and evading in the same way you do. Turns out, you find your behaviour quite annoying too.

                  I’m not sure why you think I have to answer for an ideology to your satisfaction or I have to abandon any agreement I might have with it.

                  What is it about you that makes you think thr only options are the police, exactly as we have them now, or we just have to trust crime won’t exist?

                  Why do you have to pretend these are the only two options?

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                    20 days ago

                    “Just because I don’t fully understand my own ideology doesn’t mean you shouldn’t agree with me”?

                    That’s the argument you’re going with?

                    Also please show me where I said “the police exactly as we have them now”. The police exactly as we have them now fucking suck, but you seem to think they should be abolished rather than reformed, and I’m still waiting for you to tell me how, why, and what they should be replaced with.