Frankly, I don’t have a problem with anyone who uses linux, I do too. I just get tired of the same stupid circlejerks that paint it as some kind of perfect alternative to existing mainstays. I like it, you like it, Lemmy is a deeply nerdy subsect of diehard FOSS ideologies and the power of the personal computer. But dear god is it kind of insufferable at times when it’s preaching to converts, and I imagine even less pleasant for those who just don’t have a desire to care.
I will say there were times I wanted to ask certain questions, and was sure I would just be met with multiple “switch to linux” responses. I just used google to try and find answers on Reddit.
That blue screen of death post which recently said that Windows users live in fear of losing everything was a perfect example. As is this bullshit shower thought.
On the other hand, my only remaining Windows machine routinely bluescreens with 0xDEADDEAD, which is never supposed to happen (it’s a test code, for a deliberately initiated crash).
I think the last time I got a kernel panic on a Linux machine was 2011, and it was an mp3 player that was definitely not designed to run Linux.
Microsoft makes stupid decision for Windows = There’s always someone writing up paragraphs of how they switched to Linux via Mint, like they’re about to convert swathes of people to do the same. Insert meme where Obama is giving himself a medal.
You know, I did it. I finally took the leap, ditched Windows, and installed Linux Mint. And honestly? I can’t believe I didn’t do it sooner. I mean, who knew freedom from updates that hijack your work in the middle of a call could feel this good? It’s like discovering this secret, ultra-customizable paradise where I’m the one in control.
And the best part? It was way easier than I expected. No complicated coding, no hidden hoops—just a few clicks, a couple of quick installs, and bam: a smooth, speedy system that’s totally mine. I feel like Neo breaking free from the Matrix! Now I just want to shout it from the rooftops, like, why isn’t everyone doing this? Windows users could be liberated! Free from the reign of random reboots and endless notifications.
I’m telling you, if you’re still on Windows, come on over to the Mint side. We have stability, speed, and a whole lot of satisfaction. The world needs to know!
I mean, probably a lesson to be learned about the Internet in general… Don’t trust anything you read I assume the dead Internet theory is true and go from there… Sometimes it’s fun to talk to bots you know?
Don’t take this shit like you’re having a conversation with a real person… The only person you know is real is yourself.
I saw your comment I actually really just installed mint so i thought it would be funny… I tried arch and I ran into problems so I said let’s just do something that just works… But for you I guess it didn’t I would say try again if it’s been awhile. I was able to get everything that I needed to work on mint that I was using on windows.
I tried to install pgadmin4 in Mint 22 and I must say I wasn’t fascinated spending hours intensively rummaging through forums and websites trying to understand what went wrong with simple installation instructions and going through the process of finding alternatives to outdated commands and manually signing packages and whatnot for something that would’ve taken a few mouse clicks to do on Windows.
I am already busy with other things going on in my life and I simply don’t have the time to fiddle around with config files and learning to fix my OS problems with commands and terminal. I just want an OS that does what it is told to do.
I still second the rest of the points mentioned in your comment, but I still feel like this isn’t enough to convince me to completely hop into the Linux bandwagon as long as these types of third-party apps problems like unavailability, installation and lack of parity and features for official apps or alternatives persist in my workflow.
The number one reason not to switch is “I don’t want to”. And I dislike that Windows users keep repeating decades old solved issues as excuses instead of being honest.
‘But muh games’ only very few don’t work OOB or at all.
‘I need this software’ most works flawlessly under Wine.
‘It crashes’ exactly as often as Windows with faulty hardware or bug in a driver.
‘Hardware isn’t plug&play’ more hardware works with Linux without installing drivers.
Jusy say “I dont want to give it a shot” or “I’m in the minority that can’t switch”, but don’t bullshit people about Linux requiring cmd to work. And those people then suggest editing registry to remove ads… It’s dishonest and in bad faith.
FOSS is the only way forward to stop complete enshittification of the digital space, like it or not.
Also I hate Microsoft and Apple with all my soul.
I get that most don’t care, but that doesn’t mean supporting those companies is good.
It’s fine to feel that way. It’s also fine to have that discussion with folks who may not know what the current state of is. But the bottom line is people don’t enjoy being told what they’re familiar with isn’t good or useful, because to them, it is. If it fulfills their day to day needs and wants, there’s very little argument to be had.
Microsoft’s business practices are scummy, and Apple’s closed ecosystem leads them to punish their customers. But not everyone uses their computer for more than what they absolutely require. Many do not have home computers, and may only interact with them for work. I’m a geek, nerd, whatever. I like to tinker, I like to customize, and I like that I have the freedom to do so. But most people just want something they’re familiar with, something that works as they expect it to. They don’t want to learn to use something at home that isn’t the same as work or school. And honestly I think that’s fair. There’s more going on in their lives, and these days almost everything they need to do is on the internet anyways.
Also, if everyone switched to Linux, the games that won’t work, because the company making it is trying to own your machine, will all fail and those companies will have to do something else.
You hear the opposite? Which opposite? One opposite: no, blender do work on windows.
There isn’t a one feature missing, it’s the whole soft that’s a hot mess and the UX is made by someone hating good clear interfaces. Like make a 20mm side cube with every side a 4x4 grid, now work on those vertices (add, split, move). Make some boolean operations. Make bones. Rig them. Map it. Animate it. Export to b3d with normals, binormals and animations. Good luck with that.
I usually fall into the pit every other year and installs it. It has become something of use I guess, but last time I tried it it was sure way behind my legal copy of 3ds from idk 2000-ish.
Sorry I should have specified. That Photoshop is irreplaceable but Blender is pretty good for professional use.
Thanks for sharing, sorry your work flow and experience is messy with it. I’m just a part of the community, but it’s always interesting to hear where different work flows do and don’t work for others.
UX and front ends is such a fuzzy field for me to wrap my head around. So much is done by intuition before hand or after viewing analytics.
What’s that got to do with Linux? That’s a Photoshop or 3dsMax problem. There’s nothing about Linux getting in the way. It’s Adobe telling you no. Your dependence on Adobe isn’t a Linux problem.
The whole UX of using a computer is a collaborative project between hardware, os, and apps (and maybe networks). Any friction in that process is born in part by both sides.
I know what you are saying, and fuck Adobe, but the friction of Adobe products not working well on Linux is because Linux isn’t made to work well with corporate driven drm software. Unlike Microsoft, the Linux foundation isn’t likely to make a backroom deal to ensure that Linux will be developed in a way to keep their drm private and help them strip the rights of their users.
That leads to friction it is Linuxs fault for not accepting Adobes bs here. As it is also Adobes fault for sacrificing technical excellence in lu of artificial scarcity.
You’re wrong. It’s not collaborative. It’s competitive. Only open source is collaborative. There doesn’t need to be any secrets or DRM. That shit is what’s wrong. Worse than wrong, it’s bad.
Linux isn’t a person. It “accepts” literally anything. Nobody needs to accept Adobe’s BS. The industry is dragged down by them, not propped up.
Yeah, I get that a lot of these groups gotta work together, but there’s just way too damn much leverage bullshit going on. Things could be so much better with a totally open source world. Restricting copying and features that companies don’t want us to have just kills the romance of digital goods being infinitely copyable.
No doubt. The gap between designers and non technical users is a collaborative space that doesn’t seem to me meet by foss but does seem meet by companies like Adobe using the massive amount of feedback sources and teams of designer does meet.
I, a “technical” user, find FOSS UX way better to me, but I can read and underatand issues on git, make merge requests, and even read some code to grasp how something should be working. That UX for shaping the actual program UX doesn’t work for the “non-technical” crowd.
Sorry if I’m just ranting now lol, it’s just something I keep trying to iterate when these issues pop up, hoping something comes up with a good solution.
So far it’s education (grow the technical user base and bam better UX for FOSS!), commercial support and have support feedback for users, and maybe adaptive UXs using some kind ml feedback mechanism.
Honestly though we are doing the former and money is the limit to success (why pay for free? Is a hard sell for a product that isn’t quite what someone wants yet).
The latter I just haven’t seen a clean enough setup to start hacking with myself, and honestly means getting the metric collection for a lot of FOSS apps squared up first.
Frankly, I don’t have a problem with anyone who uses linux, I do too. I just get tired of the same stupid circlejerks that paint it as some kind of perfect alternative to existing mainstays. I like it, you like it, Lemmy is a deeply nerdy subsect of diehard FOSS ideologies and the power of the personal computer. But dear god is it kind of insufferable at times when it’s preaching to converts, and I imagine even less pleasant for those who just don’t have a desire to care.
Hear ye, Hear ye! The local Linux preacher approaches! Hide all those whom value thou sanity!!
I will say there were times I wanted to ask certain questions, and was sure I would just be met with multiple “switch to linux” responses. I just used google to try and find answers on Reddit.
Second.
That blue screen of death post which recently said that Windows users live in fear of losing everything was a perfect example. As is this bullshit shower thought.
On the other hand, my only remaining Windows machine routinely bluescreens with 0xDEADDEAD, which is never supposed to happen (it’s a test code, for a deliberately initiated crash).
I think the last time I got a kernel panic on a Linux machine was 2011, and it was an mp3 player that was definitely not designed to run Linux.
Microsoft makes stupid decision for Windows = There’s always someone writing up paragraphs of how they switched to Linux via Mint, like they’re about to convert swathes of people to do the same. Insert meme where Obama is giving himself a medal.
You know, I did it. I finally took the leap, ditched Windows, and installed Linux Mint. And honestly? I can’t believe I didn’t do it sooner. I mean, who knew freedom from updates that hijack your work in the middle of a call could feel this good? It’s like discovering this secret, ultra-customizable paradise where I’m the one in control.
And the best part? It was way easier than I expected. No complicated coding, no hidden hoops—just a few clicks, a couple of quick installs, and bam: a smooth, speedy system that’s totally mine. I feel like Neo breaking free from the Matrix! Now I just want to shout it from the rooftops, like, why isn’t everyone doing this? Windows users could be liberated! Free from the reign of random reboots and endless notifications.
I’m telling you, if you’re still on Windows, come on over to the Mint side. We have stability, speed, and a whole lot of satisfaction. The world needs to know!
Aw shit, here we go again…
Art. New copy pasta?
It was just ai bullshit… Don’t think to hard about it… Lol …
Should’ve told me sooner, else I wouldn’t have spent so much time working on a rant to your original comment
I mean, probably a lesson to be learned about the Internet in general… Don’t trust anything you read I assume the dead Internet theory is true and go from there… Sometimes it’s fun to talk to bots you know?
Don’t take this shit like you’re having a conversation with a real person… The only person you know is real is yourself.
I saw your comment I actually really just installed mint so i thought it would be funny… I tried arch and I ran into problems so I said let’s just do something that just works… But for you I guess it didn’t I would say try again if it’s been awhile. I was able to get everything that I needed to work on mint that I was using on windows.
I tried to install pgadmin4 in Mint 22 and I must say I wasn’t fascinated spending hours intensively rummaging through forums and websites trying to understand what went wrong with simple installation instructions and going through the process of finding alternatives to outdated commands and manually signing packages and whatnot for something that would’ve taken a few mouse clicks to do on Windows.
I am already busy with other things going on in my life and I simply don’t have the time to fiddle around with config files and learning to fix my OS problems with commands and terminal. I just want an OS that does what it is told to do.
I still second the rest of the points mentioned in your comment, but I still feel like this isn’t enough to convince me to completely hop into the Linux bandwagon as long as these types of third-party apps problems like unavailability, installation and lack of parity and features for official apps or alternatives persist in my workflow.
You also have to run the right Linux distro. Try telling Lemmy you run Ubuntu.
I think the biggest problem is the fact that it is a three-pronged Choice.
Where two of them are fighting each other to become the biggest dumpster fire and the last one is just trying to function.
Its like the American political system. 😂
With this attitude don’t expect people to be supportive of your wrong choices
The number one reason not to switch is “I don’t want to”. And I dislike that Windows users keep repeating decades old solved issues as excuses instead of being honest.
‘But muh games’ only very few don’t work OOB or at all.
‘I need this software’ most works flawlessly under Wine.
‘It crashes’ exactly as often as Windows with faulty hardware or bug in a driver.
‘Hardware isn’t plug&play’ more hardware works with Linux without installing drivers.
Jusy say “I dont want to give it a shot” or “I’m in the minority that can’t switch”, but don’t bullshit people about Linux requiring cmd to work. And those people then suggest editing registry to remove ads… It’s dishonest and in bad faith.
FOSS is the only way forward to stop complete enshittification of the digital space, like it or not.
Also I hate Microsoft and Apple with all my soul.
I get that most don’t care, but that doesn’t mean supporting those companies is good.
It’s fine to feel that way. It’s also fine to have that discussion with folks who may not know what the current state of is. But the bottom line is people don’t enjoy being told what they’re familiar with isn’t good or useful, because to them, it is. If it fulfills their day to day needs and wants, there’s very little argument to be had.
Microsoft’s business practices are scummy, and Apple’s closed ecosystem leads them to punish their customers. But not everyone uses their computer for more than what they absolutely require. Many do not have home computers, and may only interact with them for work. I’m a geek, nerd, whatever. I like to tinker, I like to customize, and I like that I have the freedom to do so. But most people just want something they’re familiar with, something that works as they expect it to. They don’t want to learn to use something at home that isn’t the same as work or school. And honestly I think that’s fair. There’s more going on in their lives, and these days almost everything they need to do is on the internet anyways.
It fulfills their every day needs and wants, expensively, intrusively, and without regards to their ownership of their own machine.
I agree with you 100%!
Also, if everyone switched to Linux, the games that won’t work, because the company making it is trying to own your machine, will all fail and those companies will have to do something else.
I get that the preaching comes off as printing, but how is Linux not a perfect alternative?
Try to run photoshop or 3dsMax on linux. It just doesn’t work
Krita and Gimp are maaaaaybe up to the job if I invest enough time but blender is clearly not a replacement for 3dsmax.
Huh, I normally hear the opposite. What are some features of 3dsmax that blender is missing for you?
You hear the opposite? Which opposite? One opposite: no, blender do work on windows.
There isn’t a one feature missing, it’s the whole soft that’s a hot mess and the UX is made by someone hating good clear interfaces. Like make a 20mm side cube with every side a 4x4 grid, now work on those vertices (add, split, move). Make some boolean operations. Make bones. Rig them. Map it. Animate it. Export to b3d with normals, binormals and animations. Good luck with that.
I usually fall into the pit every other year and installs it. It has become something of use I guess, but last time I tried it it was sure way behind my legal copy of 3ds from idk 2000-ish.
Sorry I should have specified. That Photoshop is irreplaceable but Blender is pretty good for professional use.
Thanks for sharing, sorry your work flow and experience is messy with it. I’m just a part of the community, but it’s always interesting to hear where different work flows do and don’t work for others.
UX and front ends is such a fuzzy field for me to wrap my head around. So much is done by intuition before hand or after viewing analytics.
Yeah no problem, and I’ll be there installing it again a year or two frim now I guess :-)
Is there at least a simple way doing boxes (tubes, spheres, …) of a specific size and position plus boolean operations?
That way I could start (again) to try to learn it by using it for my 3D prints.
Photoshop on Linux https://forum.mattkc.com/viewtopic.php?t=336
I don’t know why someone downvotes you.
I felt it was easier to have a dedicated crap-pc running windoze for photoshop lol :-)
What’s that got to do with Linux? That’s a Photoshop or 3dsMax problem. There’s nothing about Linux getting in the way. It’s Adobe telling you no. Your dependence on Adobe isn’t a Linux problem.
The whole UX of using a computer is a collaborative project between hardware, os, and apps (and maybe networks). Any friction in that process is born in part by both sides.
I know what you are saying, and fuck Adobe, but the friction of Adobe products not working well on Linux is because Linux isn’t made to work well with corporate driven drm software. Unlike Microsoft, the Linux foundation isn’t likely to make a backroom deal to ensure that Linux will be developed in a way to keep their drm private and help them strip the rights of their users.
That leads to friction it is Linuxs fault for not accepting Adobes bs here. As it is also Adobes fault for sacrificing technical excellence in lu of artificial scarcity.
You’re wrong. It’s not collaborative. It’s competitive. Only open source is collaborative. There doesn’t need to be any secrets or DRM. That shit is what’s wrong. Worse than wrong, it’s bad.
Linux isn’t a person. It “accepts” literally anything. Nobody needs to accept Adobe’s BS. The industry is dragged down by them, not propped up.
If your OS is competing instead of collaborating with the hardware and apps, that’s gonna be a bad experience.
Welcome to Apple and Microsoft. It’s a bad experience, but you’ll pay because all your friends are jumping off the same bridge.
There are frenemies in the some markets for sure. But no “the marketplace” is a collaborative thing, corporations are collaborative ventures, etc
Almost every human experience is marked by systems of collaboration, even if competition is also allowed within that system.
Also agreed, and again fuck Adobe.
Yeah, I get that a lot of these groups gotta work together, but there’s just way too damn much leverage bullshit going on. Things could be so much better with a totally open source world. Restricting copying and features that companies don’t want us to have just kills the romance of digital goods being infinitely copyable.
No doubt. The gap between designers and non technical users is a collaborative space that doesn’t seem to me meet by foss but does seem meet by companies like Adobe using the massive amount of feedback sources and teams of designer does meet.
I, a “technical” user, find FOSS UX way better to me, but I can read and underatand issues on git, make merge requests, and even read some code to grasp how something should be working. That UX for shaping the actual program UX doesn’t work for the “non-technical” crowd.
Sorry if I’m just ranting now lol, it’s just something I keep trying to iterate when these issues pop up, hoping something comes up with a good solution.
So far it’s education (grow the technical user base and bam better UX for FOSS!), commercial support and have support feedback for users, and maybe adaptive UXs using some kind ml feedback mechanism.
Honestly though we are doing the former and money is the limit to success (why pay for free? Is a hard sell for a product that isn’t quite what someone wants yet).
The latter I just haven’t seen a clean enough setup to start hacking with myself, and honestly means getting the metric collection for a lot of FOSS apps squared up first.
3ds is like older than Linux
So?
That means it won’t argue in bad faith
What are you talking about?