- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
- cross-posted to:
- politics@lemmy.world
Donald Trump has been elected the 47th president of the United States, an extraordinary comeback for a former president who refused to accept defeat four years ago, sparked a violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol, was convicted of felony charges and survived two assassination attempts.
Democrats will learn nothing from this.
Id go so far as to say they’re paid good money to explicitly not learn from this.
Democrats are learning in real time what the real function of a controlled opposition party is in a capitalist dictatorship.
As if that wasn’t already known.
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” ― Upton Sinclair, I, Candidate for Governor: And How I Got Licked
“We didn’t go far enough right to win over MAGAs hearts and minds.”
Well I guess the good news is that it no longer matters if they learn anything? These election results make it clear that going forward they’ll have about as much effect on lawmaking as a dead hamster. It’s even possible that, except for serving as a convenient cardboard bogeyman, they’ll otherwise cease to exist at all.
“Are we out of touch? No, it’s the voters who are wrong.”
You can blame Democrats all you want. This is a cause of Americans being idiots and bigots.
I don’t wanna hear another damn word about Palestine from young leftists, after they stayed home. You all need to shut the fuck up with your moralizing and bitching, when you won’t even vote. Enjoy Trump, morons.
The Biden regime did this, no one else.
You ain’t seen nothing yet. Trump’s most loyal base is Evangelical Christians, and they widely believe in Greater Israel. They also tend to dislike nonwhites. He may not give a rats ass about Israel, but his advisors do, and he personally likes Netanyahu.
All but 1 democrat gave Netanyahu a standing ovation for carrying out this genocide less than 2 months ago. How do you explain your party’s staunch near-unanimous support for genocide?
Actually, 90 dems boycotted that speech. This also deflects from my argument that the situation in Gaza is going to become far more dire in a few months.
To answer your question, though: You know how there’s around 2 million Gazans still alive? Starving and desperate, but still alive. It’s not just us, but the whole international community that is responsible for that, otherwise Netanyahu could’ve implemented his “General’s Plan” six months ago. Nothing except international leverage can maintain those lives. Leverage is not free, though, it must be purchased somehow. People do not just listen to you otherwise, unless they get something from it. While it would be theoretically possible to attempt sanctions, doing this to an ally during war would be political suicide domestically, resulting in a different administration and reversal of the policy. This would result in their eventual deaths anyway, simply after a delay.
Not that our current timeline is looking any differently, admittedly. But actually saving them is not nearly as simple as everyone seems to think, as if some total boycott of arms to Israel would somehow quickly lead to an Israeli military defeat. Advanced munitions are not necessary for a genocide, it can be done with napalm and the withholding of food. This would not be expensive. Nor are advanced munitions necessary for the continued survival of the IDF, which numbered around 400k strong in the initial stages of the war.
Defeating this genocide is unfortunately far, far harder than people make it out to be, due to a powerful faction of domestic support among American citizens and AIPAC lobbyists.
No. There is one country giving 17 Billion dollars in weaponry and aid to Israel. Don’t blame the “international community” for the genocide being funded and armed by your party. Your own party is opposing the current resolutions in the UN to denounce this genocide.
Israel would quickly go the way of south africa without US support. Will anything make US democrats stop pointing fingers at other people, and start accepting blame for their own actions?
If you reread what I wrote, you’ll see that I was not saying the international community was responsible for the genocide.
This is nothing more than faith. Israel trades with many countries, including India, where anti-Muslim sentiment is very strong among the ruling Hindu nationalists. US contributions are only a small fraction of their total annual budget. All they would really lose irreplaceably is advanced weaponry.
Aaaand the racist finger-pointing resumes. Zero recognition for your genocidal party. I shouldn’t be surprised.
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If a blowout this big occurred just because young leftists protested the genocide, it stands to reason that the democratic party made in error in judgement when they supplied more bombs to the genocide and scolded young leftists. They campaigned with Liz fucking Cheney and had Bill Clinton tell muslims in Michigan they deserve it. If you see this as anything other than a complete failure in leadership, you’re delusional.
“Shut up about the genocide. It’s bad for our polling numbers.” That take is batshit insane. If you support a genocide and then can’t figure out why you lost an election, you’re hopeless.
Oh leftists voted, just not for anyone engaging in genocide.
Cry about it.
They shouldn’t have stayed home. They should’ve voted for Jill Stein.
Better yet Claudia De La Crúz, if she is on your state’s ballot.
With “allies” like these, who needs the republicans?
You became a nazi to win and you lost. Now you’re a loser and you’re a nazi.
I think you need to removed yourself from the conversation.
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Less racist and colonial than your nazi ass considering you wanted me to support a settler colonial genocide and I wouldn’t.
And fuck off. You’re as American as your 90’s US TV show reference. Don’t wear burgerface and then try to distance yourself.
It’s funny your white ass calling a native person a Nazi colonizer because I said Harris is better than Trump. I guess that means you think Trump is better, so enjoy it. Clearly you’re his base racist and offensive and hateful to us brown folk
You wanted me to support a settler colonial genocide because your first hand experience is that it rules and should be exported?
Do you really think Trump is not going to back Netenyahu and let him do exactly as he pleases?
Now that there’s no utility in it, can you please stop fucking lying about your side being better than it is?
For a while you were perfectly comfortable using banger lines like “genocide isn’t on the ballot” so what the fuck do you think my response would be?
I have been consistent this entire time telling you what your side was doing wrong and what the consequences would be. And the entire time you’ve been condescending to me like it was me who was the child who needed to humble myself into the role of the student.
Few things :
That’s a daring non-answer. I’m genuinely curious to know what stance you think Trump will take against Netenyahu’s continued genocide.
Also, about what “my” side has done and what lines “I were perfectly comfortable using”, or how I’ve been “condescending”, we’re strangers on the internet and that previous comment was my first one made to you. You don’t have enough information about my point of view to assume as much as you did. Or maybe you simply mistaken me for another commenter.
Either way no need to engage in profanity, it gives your whole vibe an unnecessary violent undertone. I’m sincerely just curious to know more about where you come from ideologically and I think it can be done respectfully and with civility.
Literally the exact same position Biden has. The maximalist one. The only difference is that Trump doesn’t have squishy hand-wringing liberals who must, and can, be appeased by the tiniest rhetorical gesture in the other direction. No material difference.
Feel like I’ve been more than clear on this point but if you needed it put in those terms, there ya go.
Hard disagree. You’re no snowflake. I’ve had this argument a thousand times. It’s not like there are that many silos of opinion makers in the first place. And it’s not like you didn’t say enough in the first place to not express the angle you’re taking. This is such a tedious complaint… If it makes a difference to you, bring on the way in which you’re different! Don’t be shy!
Tolerate it like you tolerate the genocide. Holy shit your fucking priorities.
I just read this as telegraphing that you’re unreachable to me. You’re past engaging with the topic itself and now you’re just looking to categorize me? Why?