Summary

Elon Musk’s frequent presence at Mar-a-Lago and his involvement in sensitive conversations have raised concerns among Trump’s longstanding advisers, who view Musk as overly assertive and self-promoting.

Musk’s push for influence, including voicing policy ideas and taking credit for Trump’s win, has raised concerns about his motives and loyalty.

  • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    17
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    9 hours ago

    It’s funny… I said that when Trump dies it will be total chaos because all these people hate each other and they will all work as hard as possible to tear each other apart since Trump is the only thing that unites them.

    Maybe we won’t have to wait for Trump to die.

    • Rin@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      5 hours ago

      I hope we don’t have to wait for the dorito to die. I just hope it happens within the next 4 years.

  • Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    10
    ·
    edit-2
    9 hours ago

    Elon Musk is a once in a generation business leader

    That’s not a compliment, that’s a prerequisite to becoming everything Musk currently is. If “a generation” of people had been afforded even one percent of the privilege he’s received, Musk would’ve been outshined by more competent people long ago.

  • Red_October@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    18
    ·
    14 hours ago

    Trump has a habit of burning everyone close to him the second it is either (A) useful to him or (B) they are no longer unswerving loyal to their fuhrer. Musk is a dumbshit nepobaby who can’t shut the fuck up and steals credit for everything he’s near that he didn’t ruin. It’s only a matter of time before Trump burns Musk, and all I can ask for is that it completely ruins them both.

      • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        9 hours ago

        Musk is far richer than Trump could ever dream of being. Trump might be president, but Musk can use his money to get away with anything.

        So it will be a fun fight to watch.

  • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    9 hours ago

    Oh man, I would love to see Musk be the first purged from his administration. Maybe he will take the hint and stay out of the public eye after Trumpers turn on him.

    • ComfortableRaspberry@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      4 hours ago

      Maybe he will take the hint and stay out of the public eye after Trumpers turn on him.

      Do you really believe that? I have a hard time even imagining something like that. He loves himself waaaay too much to do this. Being hated seems to be some kind of achievement for him and he’s proud of it.

  • oo1@lemmings.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    ·
    14 hours ago

    I suspect Musk’s welcome is as long as his chequebook. I think trump sees the $, if his “advisors” are offering him less $ I doubt Trump cars to listen.

    The only issue might be if any of it could be proven to be criminal bribery - that seems unlikely though.

    • Zement@feddit.nl
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      edit-2
      14 hours ago

      Trump is literally and figuratively immune against any prosecution. He raped children, stole and killed millions.

      I am no American, but at this point I think he could produce and distribute CP right in the oval office and nothing would happen. And that is the one thing next to murder, he didn’t already commit publicly.

  • h6a@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    5
    ·
    14 hours ago

    He’s also the only appointee who’s sharing his power with someone else. Ramaswamy and Musk will not work well together.

  • snekerpimp@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    208
    ·
    1 day ago

    Please let them be too busy fighting amongst themselves these next four years they just are unable to get anything destructive done.

    • xmunk@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      92
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 day ago

      I am 100% in favor of teenage drama derailing their efforts to remove bodily autonomy from women.

      • drake@lemmy.sdf.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        7
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        edit-2
        12 hours ago

        I’m sorry for being harsh, but the only reason the democrats exist is to slow down the fascists ever so slightly and then just peacefully hand over power to the fascists when they gain control again.

        We need real change, the kind of change that only comes from a revolution. The democrats do not give a shit about you. They serve only the wealthy.

        Stop believing their lies. Go out there and unionise!!

    • catloaf@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      22
      ·
      1 day ago

      That’s the plan. But while the government is ineffective, big businesses will have free reign to fuck us over.

      • Laurel Raven@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        17 hours ago

        At least that wouldn’t be some new dystopian nightmare. Just the same old run of the mill dystopian nightmare we’ve already been living in.

  • partial_accumen@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    128
    ·
    1 day ago

    Trump’s longstanding advisers, who view Musk as overly assertive and self-promoting.

    Sounds like “trumps longstanding advisors” are worried they did all this work to get trump in power to use him are seeing musk come in and begin to use trump instead of them.

    • teawrecks@sopuli.xyz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      17
      ·
      23 hours ago

      Honestly, once Trump gets sworn in, I assume the people around him who want to implement Project 2025 won’t have any more use for him. That’s why Vance is there, just look at his track record, he knows how to play ball.

    • frezik@midwest.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      42
      ·
      edit-2
      1 day ago

      Pretty much. His advisors have quietly expressed “concern” to the media about a lot of things, and they go nowhere.

      Every once in a while, it does. Laura Loomer seems to have been forgotten. That might just be Trump getting bored with sleeping with her, though.

    • londos@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      19
      ·
      1 day ago

      He’ll have them sign something saying they were never advisors at all and he was there from the start.

    • whithom@discuss.online
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      8
      ·
      1 day ago

      People should be afraid of musk. He’s gone completely mad with power. He doesn’t have to BE the president to be the hand in the puppet. Trump would be difficult to control, but whoever follows trump will be hand-picked.

  • Crikeste@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    34
    arrow-down
    5
    ·
    24 hours ago

    He’s an accelerationist. He knows the death of America is coming and wants to be sitting pretty, real close to the top when it happens; so he can use his money to become king.

    • vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      12
      ·
      18 hours ago

      Which is several layers of stupid, seriously most of the time when empires collapse the ones in power are either remains of the old bureaucracy or warlords. The rich are usually a non factor unless they already fit into one of the previous two situations. None of the billionaires have enough hard power to pull that off in the long term.

  • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    142
    ·
    1 day ago

    I can’t really see 2 egos of that size coexisting. I’m terrified of being wrong about that in this case though

    • AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      91
      ·
      1 day ago

      Did you see Don’s face when Elon was doing his jumping shit? Don’s already sick of him, and only keeping him around because he’s worth so much.

    • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      31
      ·
      1 day ago

      My coping fantasy plays off of their arrogance. Imagine it. On the day of Trump’s inauguration, he admits that climate change is real and shouts, “good luck, suckers,” as he and Musk board a SpaceX rocket bound for Mars.

      A guy can dream. lol

        • disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          13
          ·
          1 day ago

          I like to imagine them running out of oxygen and food on Mars after weeks of nonstop arguing, expelling their final, hateful words at each other.

          Either way, it’s like having a warm cup of tea under a blanket while I wait out the storm that is my mind.

          • mkwt@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            1 day ago

            Any trip to Mars is going to involve massive amounts of personal suffering and privation.

            Minimum mission duration of 3 years. Living space no larger than a small RV. All the food is freeze dried. Can you imagine the smell that will develop? If anything breaks, it’s on you to fix it, and there is no trip down to the hardware store, and no United Rentals to bail you out. Any medical complication? There’s no ER, just whatever you’ve got in the kit.

            And that’s not even starting on the chronic radiation hazard for which there is no viable option to deploy shielding. And a freak solar flare can cook you with acute radiation that will kill you at any time.

            Seriously, we’re talking about an adventure that would be way more epic than Shackleton.

            • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              5
              ·
              1 day ago

              Honestly, I am opposed to sending humans to Mars, period. We shouldn’t do it. It’s unethical, a tremendous lapse of moral judgment just to stroke our collective egos.

              There could be life on Mars NOW. There are bacteria that we know of on Earth, that if you transported them to certain locations deep under the Martian surface, would thrive. There are microbes that live in subterranean saline aquifers on Earth, and there are microbes that live in solid rock miles beneath the Earth’s surface. There is no reason that these bacteria couldn’t thrive equally well on Mars.

              We know of Earth bacteria that could thrive under Mars’s surface. Which means it is entirely reasonable to speculate that there may already be bacteria there filling that Martian ecological niche. But if we send people there…we risk contaminating it. We struggle to sterilize our rovers, but we do a pretty good job. But forget trying to sterilize a ship full of dozens of people. Our very gut bacteria are a contamination risk.

              No, I think we should leave Mars the hell alone. And really, I think we have a very reasonable path forward for still producing very meaningful and important exploration of Mars. Look at how well robotics is advancing. Look at the recent Tesla event where they had all those robots wandering around, each remotely piloted by a human operator. THAT is the real future of Mars exploration.

              I think we should simply wait on Mars until we’ve let remote presence robotic tech advance a few more decades. Then, you build such a robot that is durable enough to survive in an autoclave. You do send human to Mars, but they stay in orbit. The humans stay on a craft in orbit, and they remotely pilot humanoid robots on the surface to do the actual science work. This way, you can have exploration that has all the dexterity and flexibility of humans, as humans are able to pilot the robots in real time from orbit. And as an added bonus, your exploratory vehicles can be a lot simpler as you don’t need to bring any crew or samples back from the Martian surface.

              I think we could still exploit Mars as well. If we find that there is no surface life, well then setting up mining activities on the surface isn’t a problem. If humans want to colonize Mars, we can build big orbital habitats from materials we mine on the surface. If, after a long period of study, we conclusively rule out the existence of Martian life? Well at that point we can start surface colonization by humans. Or, perhaps we discover a Martian deep-rock biosphere and fully catalogue it. Then maybe we discover that pretty much every terrestrial body has such a biosphere if conditions are appropriate. At that point, humans might decide that colonizing the surface with humans is worth the risk.

              Anyway, I really do not support sending humans to Mars. We could potentially wipe out an entire biosphere, a biosphere that if it exists, could tell us remarkable things about how life arises and how common it is in the universe. We’re only a few decades out from being able to do really good remote presence robotics. Let’s just hold off on things until we can send humans that can get the full experience of being on the Mars surface, without actually being on the Mars surface.

        • GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          7
          ·
          1 day ago

          You don’t understand though, by being visionaries who disregard accepted margins of safety, they lowered the cost per (attempted) launch by almost 3%!