It said so on a packaging label so it must be true. What a relief. I was afraid someone was doing genocide, but marketing has proved me wrong.
Do you think the people running the genocide are the same as the people working in the factories to support their loved ones?
At the end of the day, people will always be people, while megalomaniacal leaders are the ones using them to further their own goals.
Sodastream is located in settled territory, and therefore an active participant in the settler-colonial project.
They moved there factory out of the west bank, after heavy protest. Unless your referring to “Israel proper” as settled territory, which it is, but so is the u.s.
SodaStream is still subject to boycott by the global, Palestinian-led BDS movement for Palestinian rights. Its new factory is actively complicit in Israel’s policy of displacing the indigenous Bedouin-Palestinian citizens of Israel in the Naqab (Negev). SodaStream’s mistreatment of and discrimination against Palestinian workers is not forgotten either.
https://bdsmovement.net/news/“sodastream-still-subject-boycott”
Is “No!Thanks!” an app or something?
Edit: Found it. It is an app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bashsoftware.boycott
Agreed. We should be supporting Israelis who recognize and promote that the only solution to peace is harmonious coexistence. Calling it “marketing” seems irrelevant and disingenuous, about as solid an argument as calling “peace and love hippies” fakers.
It is marketing though. It’s on the box of a commercial product, what else is it?
Why do they say “Arabs” instead of “Palestinians“?
Israeli Arabs are Israeli citizens, they aren’t usually considered Palestinian.
They are using ethnicities, not nationalities. Not that they recognize Palestine as a nation.
Given so much you know about the world comes from corporations, how do you determine what’s true and what’s a lie? Just based on your feelings which were formed by social media algorithms?
Based on videos of people being brutalized, news articles, podcasts, conversations with others. There’s no algo on Lemmy and I don’t consume any other social media.
Gives me similar vibes to a southern plantation owner saying ‘my slaves are all happy; they’ve never complained to me!’
“Shit, they even sing while they work, they love it!”
What is the significance of the singing?
If this is an honest question: slaves in the US would sing songs as they toiled to help them cope with their hardship. From the slaveowners view the songs often seemed silly or full of hope, while the lyrics actually contained veiled instructions about insurrection or escape.
“Swing low sweet chariot” basically means “for the love of all that is holy please please let today be the day I finally die and end this”
it helped keep the tempo of work and make time pass faster
I think it’s a slavery reference.
This cotton was produced by whites and blacks working side by side in peace and harmony.
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I’ve had someone say “I took real good care of my animals, why wouldn’t I have taken care of them?” In a 100% unironic way.
I just left it alone there.
Fuck soda stream, not only because there Israeli and had a factory in the occupied territories until backlash forced them out, they’re also anti-repair.
I have one and one time I pumped it a bit too much and heard a pop and it would no longer work. I opened it up and found that a piece of foil had been ruptured, and found a video online of someone replacing it by unscrewing a plastic bit and replacing the foil. I eventually stripped the screw trying to get it out only to find in the comments of the video that they glue that screw in now . They don’t sell a replacement part for it either so I eventually just had to use hot glue to seal it, which doesn’t feel safe.
The foil seems designed to pop as a safety pressure release mechanism, but it basically bricks the unit afterwards and you have to buy a new one.
LPT: go get
- a real CO2 cylinder with a CGA 320 valve (the 10lb size is plenty)
- a CGA-320 CO2 regulator
- some 1/4" ID reinforced PVC tubing
- a carbonation cap + 1/4" barb ball lock disconnect (mentioned together because they’re often sold as a set), and
- a plain old empty 2-liter soda bottle.
That’s everything you need to carbonate soda yourself without some proprietary bullshit device.
(I found the best price for the gas cylinder from a local company that resupplies restaurants etc. with soda dispensers, which is convenient because they can also refill it for you. The rest of the stuff can be found easily enough from Amazon or whatnot. I wouldn’t buy the cylinder from Amazon unless I wanted aluminum instead of steel, for no good reason.)
Works if you have space to put a 10lb CO2 cylinder
There’s also smaller 5# tanks
The paintball ones?
You have to make sure whatever you use is food grade. A paintball refill wouldn’t have to be and could contain weird oils you wouldn’t want to ingest.
Even better: get a soda keg, fill with water and charge with CO2. Seltzer on tap!
Better, but more expensive and space-consuming, especially if you want to store the keg in a fridge. One day I’ll do it right (including storing the keg(s) in a mini-fridge in which I’ve cut a hole to route a line to a dispenser), but that day is not today. : (
they’re*
Your right. But don’t be that guy.
Yes I did it on purpose.
You’re*
Whoosh.
Whoo’sh*
Nah we just think you’re a dick.
For suggesting someone not be a grammar nazi!? It doesn’t add anything to the conversation. I did the “your” thing on purpose to see if he’d do the same thing and of course he did. I’m not being a dick, I’m suggesting maybe overlook people’s little mistakes and contribute something worthwhile. But if that makes me a dick, then I’m a dick I guess.
Did you know that correcting grammar mistakes does not make you a grammar nazi? If the guy was being condescending when providing the correction, then he is one. Simply giving the correct word to use in a simple and concise way is completely fine. Your over-reaction to his comment is the unreasonable one in this case.
Your responses make you look like an overly-sensitive, humorless jagoff, hence the vote differential.
You’re all good dawg, people need to chill
I checked his comment history and literally his most recent comment had “its” instead of “it’s”. And that explains everything you need to know.
If you get a working one again you can get a 10lb CO2 tank from a local homebrew supply and an adapter from the Amazon and never have to worry about their shitty bottle exchange ecosystem ever again
Aww man, I like using sodastream. Is there an alternative that isn’t directly tied to an apartheid state committing genocide?
I’d assume that most other carbonators aren’t made by Sodastream 👍
Seconding Drinkmate. I replaced my soda stream a while ago and have been very happy.
Unfortunately a great many of them use Sodastream’s gas cylinders - after their patent expired and anyone could build a compatible unit - so you might not be able to escape them getting your money when buying CO2 refills, if there isn’t another brand of gas cylinder available where you shop.
Sodastream have released a new cylinder design (with a bayonet rather than screw fitting), presumably to again attempt to kill off the market for home refilling from a larger CO2 cylinder, or use in other brands of machines.
All of that said, I do like my Aarke machine.
Where I live (Germany), most bigger Supermarket chains offer in house brand sodastream compatible gas cylinders. There usually even cheaper. I also have an ALDI in house sodastream dupe called soda star. Never saw a reason to buy sodastream, even before I knew about their political/moral questionability, when there are cheaper alternatives that literally do the exact same thing.
Check out Soda Sense. They ship the bottles to you and provide a prepaid return label.
Drinkmate is solid idk where they are produced tho just that they are based in Michigan.
Love my drinkmate that I hook up to 5 Lb C02 tanks swapped locally!
lol damn. I haven’t even used the first can up in like a year, but I don’t use it a ton. Just occasionally carbonate some gin drinks or re-carbonate flat soda or etc. have made a few sodas but not much, am going to be making some syrups soon so I’ll probably actually get more use out of it once I’ve made those. Still, absolutely love it.
I use a “Spärkel” carbonator. Instead of CO2 canisters, it uses packets of citric acid and baking soda to generate CO2 and uses a compressor to infuse the liquid.
Pros:
- You can either use their pre-measured packets if that’s convenient for you, or do what I do and just buy a bulk amount of both the citric acid and baking soda.
- You can carbonate pretty much any liquid. Water, wine, flat soda, mixed drinks, you name it. The sodastream will explode and cause a huge mess if you try to carbonate anything besides water.
- They don’t appear to be Israeli.
Cons:
- Because it uses a compressor, it needs to be plugged in to operate. It’s pretty loud too!
- It takes longer than a sodastream. While a sodastream is almost instant, this will take 1-3 minutes depending on the level of carbonation you desire.
I suddenly find myself wondering if I could make carbonated water by mixing citric acid baking soda directly in a 2-liter bottle, and pressurize it by screwing the cap back on quickly. It’s probably a really bad idea due to the risk of explosion if you add too much reagent, and also because you’d end up with a bunch of sodium citrate in your carbonated water, which seems like it would be safe to drink but might not taste good.
You probably could, but you’d have the taste of citric acid (which is not awful) and baking soda in the water. The Spärkel has the water that activates the reaction in a separate chamber so they don’t wind up in your drink. You need to change that water every four or five times you use it.
Please film it. Thanks.
Thank you, been looking for a replacement for my soda stream but have been hesitant since it’s so easy to get canisters for them, but none of the competitors.
Yeah I really like mine too but you got to make sure to clean out the activation chamber occasionally with warm water.
I keep wishing/wondering if there was a simpler version that could be made using baking soda and dripping in vinegar as the acid.
I feel like there is a shocking amount of improvement possible on the concept of base and acid homemade carbonation systems.
You can just get a cap that will fit on any bottle and attach to a traditional c02 tank. Added benefit that if you use this with any regularity it will cost you much less over time.
You can also get corny kegs like the other person posted but those can be pricey. You can get them cheap at restaurant auctions sometimes (I basically got mine for free but they were gross). These take up a decent amount of space but you can make a lot of stuff at once
Drinkmate. Better anyway because the removable/cleanable carbonator head allows you to carbonate any drink and also premix drinks. You’ll lose a lot of carbonation the SodaStream way of mixing after carbonating.
Is there an alternative that isn’t directly tied to an apartheid state committing genocide?
Yeah there are countless alternatives (at least here in Germany, but Germans are obsessed with sparkling water so YMMV depending on where you are). A soda maker ain’t some crazy technology, it’s a CO₂ cylinder, a valve, and something that holds the bottle, in fact, it’s so simple, other comments suggest to just build one yourself: https://lemmy.world/comment/13959890
Just make a couple of Google (or preferably DuckDuckGo) searches for “soda maker” or “sodastream alternative” and I’m sure you’ll find something that suits your needs.
I’ve never used one of these, why not just get a good old fashioned soda syphon? Does a Sodastream do anything special?
If you already have the machine plenty of places sell compatible cartridges, or you can get an adapter to hook it up to a larger co2 tank.
and it’s actually more affordable to get a larger co2 tank.
If you have an older machine, the canisters are standard and there are third parties providing cheaper alternatives in many countries.
Like Soda Sense.
In Germany Brita is quite good.
https://www.northernbrewer.com/products/draft-brewer-flex-keg-system
Something like this is available from a lot of places, just gonna cost.
The Palestinian workers have to wear different color clothes so security knows to not let them use certain hallways.
Do you have a source for that?
Arab is the allowed word for “Palestinian”
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I thought I read that their factory is actually built in occupied territory.
It’s the reason I’ve always refused to but one.
get a used one then buy a normal c02 tank!
Yep, this is how I do it. I bought a tank adapter online and just get a professional CO2 tank refilled at the local beverage gas shop.
Also, get the glass water containers, they last indefinitely.
at the local beverage gas shop.
Wh-where the heck do you live, candyland?
Seattle babyyyyy. It also supplies industrial welding gases etc, in sodo
There are tons of other brands and the co2 tanks are standardized, I have a Phillips
Nah the factory in the West Bank was closed about nine years ago. So you’ll be happy to know Palestinians in the West Bank have a longer commute and have to pass through a lot of security checks if they want to work for Sodastream.
So you can buy a Sodastream with a clean conscious. Unless even employing Palestinians is somehow wrong. Which people will find a way to rationalize because everyone knows that people who have a decent job are less likely to fire rockets at Israel, and we want that to continue forever, right?
conscience*
Isn’t soda stream also very pro trump?
Which group was the one working in peace and harmony? Because it sure as shit wasn’t both.
Apparently just the ones making the CO2. I wonder if the employees would agree.
Mine says Bratislava
Oh so the people who made it have rights? Thats cool i guess
But what about the peace ? What about the harmony ?
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Been waiting for competition to produce one for years.
There are already many alternatives. Have you looked up carbonators?
I will now
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I will toss my Sodastream into the recycle bin, thanks for the information.
Peace it the middle east?!? We can’t have that! Throw it out!
Peace is good.
Whitewashing genocide is not.
