oldie meme but needed to bring this back due to recent incidents 😭
Me: “I like pancakes”
Lemmy: “Only a shitlib western imperialist would think that. Read more Lenin.”
Me: “I like waffles”
Lemmy: “HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GO MY LIFE WITHOUT PANCAKES YOU OPPRESSIVE INSENSITIVE FUCK”
Nah, that’s just .ml
True, properly educated and vetted comrades would prefer blini.
I like that the name of the platform has been written over.
“This is only happening locally here at <place in the internet> and not at <every other place in the internet>”. And that’s happening for every place in the internet.
Marvellous
This is anywhere on the internet.
This is anywhere, period. You can do that with letters, you can do that with speeches, or in casual conversations.
And you’re not always wrong about it either.
If you’ve played Disco Elysium, “Welcome to Revachol”. If you haven’t, play it. It’s an amazing game
“Black lives matter? So you hate cops?”
This is just text written anywhere. There’s an art to making yourself understood in different contexts.
yeah :p bit of a hyperbolic statement my fault
Well, the original post was as well, so fair enough!
In my experience, this happens way less on Lemmy than on Reddit before the IPO.
i can’t speak to the frequency but the tone is definitely different when it happens here compared to on reddit, probably influenced by the demographic and field of interest differences. the ml roots of the place really have echoed throughout the tone of the space, so most of the arguments have a really cynical, high alert, almost superstitious affect to them that i never really encountered on reddit. (some random account i thought i was cool with is trying to like psychoanalyze my recent posts to find my true intentions? i gave up on that convo)
your mileage may vary, of course!
your mileage may vary, of course!
Blocking all of .ml makes your experiences vastly more pleasant
I wish I could do that, but sadly the Linux community is barely alive on any instance other than .ml.
TBF, I understand this annoying kind of ‘reading into it’. at the same time, if someone starts dropping dogwhistles or starts dancing around something in a convo, i am definitely gonna read into that shit.
If you don’t like waffles just say it…
I hate the way Nazis etc have appropriated to many phrases/actions as dog whistles.
I don’t want to offend anyone & I certainly don’t support intolerence but sometimes it’s just too much to keep up with.
If someone politely points out my mistake they are helping, if they attack me for an honest mistake they are not.Am I right or:
What…. This is on par with any kind of internet discourse. It’s pretty much why I hardly ever post prior to Lemmy. It doesn’t matter how well articulated the post, SOMEONE will find the need to correct or clarify unnecessarily.
it’s really sad because i take great pride and pleasure from reading other people’s thoughts and posts. but when i try to give back, it’s immediately jumped on by dogpilers and “oh you actually meant something else…” people. and when i do the bare minimum to defend myself, they slap back with the “okay buddy, sure” and downvote my defense so it’s invisible to other readers.
needless to say my blocklist is nearing 100 users.
and downvote my defense so it’s invisible to other readers.
Lemmy isn’t an endless torrent of comments. Even downvoted ones get reached.
Wanna get mad? Yesterday drag made a similar post criticising Lemmy, but it focused on the transphobia on the platform. -46 downvotes. Thread full of transphobia anyway. On Blahaj. https://lemmy.nz/post/17415487
hmm i honestly just don’t understand what the post is trying to say. it’s a bit unclear to me but im sorry there was confusion and hard feelings going on
Anyone who thinks pretending to be trans is an effective troll hates trans people.
see i agree with that statement when written out like that. the post doesn’t really do anything to get me to that notion on its own though.
Hm. Maybe it was too subtle? Cunk is explaining why “trolls pretending to be trans” is supposed to be a problem on Lemmy, using her usual brand of accidentally telling it like it is. Lemmy only has a “troll problem” because Lemmy users hate trans people. No trans hate, no troll problem. If everyone respected trans people, nobody would be getting called a troll. If anyone actually tried to troll that way, they’d be met with acceptance and have no power.
hmmm try workshopping different ways to express this thought, i’m quite lost sorry :(
I’m convinced that most people don’t read anything before sharing their opinion. An opinion with zero relevance or weight is absolutely useless.
Yeah but I preffer the pineapple before the pizza, that way the mass feels saltier.
So you hate pepperoni?!
No, I dont hate peppino spaghetti.
Most people their opinion is based on feelings, which often exist because of a screaming idiot on TV.
For example, my mom wants Islamic people out of this country, because they are criminals and do not belong here. She’s lived her entire life in white neighborhoods, never had any experience with crime happening to her by anyone, but she feels this way because of a right wing politician screaming on TV. I have no issues with Islamic people while I live in a neighborhood full is mixed cultures, including many Islamic people. Any factual counter argument I present to my mom feels for her as a personal attack, because I’m attacking her feelings with logic, so the counter attacks with bullshit like “you have no respect to your parents/elders”, “I’m not allowed to say anything anymore these days”, “what do you know, knowledge comes with the years, I’m older so I know better”. She assumes I’m just attacking her extremist comments because of puberty (I’m 37) and to make her feel bad.
I feel like she represents most people, as most people; assuming what people say on TV / internet is true, creating a feeling and opinion based on that which is carved in stone, seeing any counter argument as a personal attack, throwing counter attacks based on words put in other’s mouths because attacking that is much easier then properly constructed factual counter arguments (because they don’t have any).
FYI I ended all contact with my mom. She’s angry about that too, she lacks the ability to see her actions have consequences. Again, like most people.
You say “An opinion with zero relevance or weight is absolutely useless.” That is completely true. But those opinions do make people vote in a certain way. They do fuel hate. They do spread fake news. They ruin our society. So even though they have zero relevance and weight, they are super relevant and carry a lot of weight at the same time.
DEADASS!!!
Why do you think you’re better than us?
You hate Lemmy!!!
I see more Motte-and-bailey fallacy.
I see less “I like pancakes” and more “I think pancakes are superior to waffles” from the first commenter.
Then the second commenter responds, “So you hate waffles?”
Then the first commenter retreats to “No, I just like pancakes. Why are you assuming what I’m saying? Don’t you understand I’m being nuanced?”
Also, nuance is one of the more recent words to have a new usage like literally, which can now mean figuratively. When people say their argument is nuanced they mean it is good or correct. It reminds me of the use objective to describe a person to pretend they don’t have biases to incorrectly validate their arguments.
me: lot of pancakes out there
you: actually i see more waffles
(with peace and love haha you make excellent points i just couldn’t resist)
In the context of this self-referencing observation, I would say, I see lots of waffles pretending to be pancakes.
i approve and adopt your extension of the metaphor
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Literally I see all the same names and sometimes still even saying the same things though mostly not cause there is other things to talk about.
You aren’t seeing it cause you aren’t engaging in hourly political threads because of an upcoming election. It’s disingenuous to say the conversation has disappeared just because you aren’t participating in it anymore.
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So you’re saying Twitter is better?
/jk
Sure, it happens here, but I feel the toxicity on Lemmy is far less then on Reddit or other platforms, and with toxicity I mean including people assuming you’re saying something else because they are triggered somehow. But it’s very hard not to stumble upon people like that. Trolls rule the universe, they are everywhere.
I also feel like posts like these are specifically part of the toxicity, encouraging it because “haha funy”
It may be less toxic, but that’s only if you share the sentiments many lemmy users share. The echo chamber is louder here
True. true… true… true…
But I’m glad I don’t have to scroll through loads of right wing extremist posts all the time and constantly have to fight nazis. nazis… nazis… nazis…
So I’m happy with it. it… it… it…
Just personally, I find that the toxicity around here just around group think is a little worse than reddit. It’s different but it can be a lot worse, especially with the way people on Lemmy use downvotes.
I just ignore and block if it continues. I got no time for people who are responding to the voices in their head instead of what I’m actually writing.
On the other hand, a failure to make assumptions about what someone is saying leads to people being able either to willfully misrepresent their positions (“Oh, I don’t hate waffles, I just bring up how the world would be better without waffles in every conversation, no matter how tangential!”) or unintentionally fail to see the necessary implications of their statements (“I’m not saying waffles are better, I’m just saying pancakes are worse!”)
All language has some ambiguity, which necessitates assumption in communication.
I think it can be important to see the intent behind words and ask for clarifications. Oftentimes people are not direct about their opinions.
yuh, totally! i even experienced an example of your counterexample recently https://lemmy.cafe/post/10752342/8934173
egg on my face, i guess i worded a meme so badly it gave 180 degrees the opposite impression (to some). was super thankful to this user for being transparent and helping me identify what part to edit.
