oldie meme but needed to bring this back due to recent incidents 😭
I like that the name of the platform has been written over.
“This is only happening locally here at <place in the internet> and not at <every other place in the internet>”. And that’s happening for every place in the internet.
Marvellous
In my experience, this happens way less on Lemmy than on Reddit before the IPO.
i can’t speak to the frequency but the tone is definitely different when it happens here compared to on reddit, probably influenced by the demographic and field of interest differences. the ml roots of the place really have echoed throughout the tone of the space, so most of the arguments have a really cynical, high alert, almost superstitious affect to them that i never really encountered on reddit. (some random account i thought i was cool with is trying to like psychoanalyze my recent posts to find my true intentions? i gave up on that convo)
your mileage may vary, of course!
your mileage may vary, of course!
Blocking all of .ml makes your experiences vastly more pleasant
I wish I could do that, but sadly the Linux community is barely alive on any instance other than .ml.
I’m convinced that most people don’t read anything before sharing their opinion. An opinion with zero relevance or weight is absolutely useless.
Yeah but I preffer the pineapple before the pizza, that way the mass feels saltier.
So you hate pepperoni?!
No, I dont hate peppino spaghetti.
Most people their opinion is based on feelings, which often exist because of a screaming idiot on TV.
For example, my mom wants Islamic people out of this country, because they are criminals and do not belong here. She’s lived her entire life in white neighborhoods, never had any experience with crime happening to her by anyone, but she feels this way because of a right wing politician screaming on TV. I have no issues with Islamic people while I live in a neighborhood full is mixed cultures, including many Islamic people. Any factual counter argument I present to my mom feels for her as a personal attack, because I’m attacking her feelings with logic, so the counter attacks with bullshit like “you have no respect to your parents/elders”, “I’m not allowed to say anything anymore these days”, “what do you know, knowledge comes with the years, I’m older so I know better”. She assumes I’m just attacking her extremist comments because of puberty (I’m 37) and to make her feel bad.
I feel like she represents most people, as most people; assuming what people say on TV / internet is true, creating a feeling and opinion based on that which is carved in stone, seeing any counter argument as a personal attack, throwing counter attacks based on words put in other’s mouths because attacking that is much easier then properly constructed factual counter arguments (because they don’t have any).
FYI I ended all contact with my mom. She’s angry about that too, she lacks the ability to see her actions have consequences. Again, like most people.
You say “An opinion with zero relevance or weight is absolutely useless.” That is completely true. But those opinions do make people vote in a certain way. They do fuel hate. They do spread fake news. They ruin our society. So even though they have zero relevance and weight, they are super relevant and carry a lot of weight at the same time.
DEADASS!!!
Why do you think you’re better than us?
You hate Lemmy!!!
So you’re saying Twitter is better?
/jk
Sure, it happens here, but I feel the toxicity on Lemmy is far less then on Reddit or other platforms, and with toxicity I mean including people assuming you’re saying something else because they are triggered somehow. But it’s very hard not to stumble upon people like that. Trolls rule the universe, they are everywhere.
I also feel like posts like these are specifically part of the toxicity, encouraging it because “haha funy”
It may be less toxic, but that’s only if you share the sentiments many lemmy users share. The echo chamber is louder here
True. true… true… true…
But I’m glad I don’t have to scroll through loads of right wing extremist posts all the time and constantly have to fight nazis. nazis… nazis… nazis…
So I’m happy with it. it… it… it…
Just personally, I find that the toxicity around here just around group think is a little worse than reddit. It’s different but it can be a lot worse, especially with the way people on Lemmy use downvotes.
I just ignore and block if it continues. I got no time for people who are responding to the voices in their head instead of what I’m actually writing.
On the other hand, a failure to make assumptions about what someone is saying leads to people being able either to willfully misrepresent their positions (“Oh, I don’t hate waffles, I just bring up how the world would be better without waffles in every conversation, no matter how tangential!”) or unintentionally fail to see the necessary implications of their statements (“I’m not saying waffles are better, I’m just saying pancakes are worse!”)
All language has some ambiguity, which necessitates assumption in communication.
I think it can be important to see the intent behind words and ask for clarifications. Oftentimes people are not direct about their opinions.
yuh, totally! i even experienced an example of your counterexample recently https://lemmy.cafe/post/10752342/8934173
egg on my face, i guess i worded a meme so badly it gave 180 degrees the opposite impression (to some). was super thankful to this user for being transparent and helping me identify what part to edit.
laughs in tumblr
And yet, you assumed an image on catbox would work on my device. Interesting.
skill issue, sorry
lol. It’s just iOS, voyager, vpn, and ad blocking are not conducive to seeing hosted images.
I’m on iOS, using voyager, proton vpn, and a 3rd party ad blocker and the image loaded just fine for me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Same. But sometimes they don’t.
I like Mlem a lot more than voyager. The only thing it isn’t as good at is videos. I’ve never had an issue with catbox on Mlem
A large portion of the world is experiencing political polarization. I see the same things happening on Lemmy happen on other social media websites.
The “if you don’t agree with me you must have the exact opposite opinion” approach to debate seems to be more a problem of the participants than the platform.
Pretty much every time I dare to say anything negative about Russia or China I’m swarmed with illiterate tankie lemmings who jump into the conclusion that criticising one empire automatically means supporting the other empire.
I find that people that do this are often well informed on leftist theory, but know almost no history. I guess it’s hard to accept that governing is exceptionally difficult and governments built with the best intentions are still subject to authoritarianism. Also, those governments weren’t built with the best intentions, lol.
Great. Another corpo-fascist centrist who doesn’t understand the Overton Window.
Zzzzzz
wow can’t believe this guy wants me to kiss nazis on the lips /s
I said don’t kiss Nazi ass. That’s not the same thing.
Did he do the thing he posted a meme about? Ironic
How can you not like waffles! That’s outrageous! I’m so triggered right now!
That’s a waffleturd take if I’ve ever seen one
You’re just a shill for Big Pancake!
I read that Big Pancake wants to leave the French Toast Accords
i feel this problem might be worse on the fediverse because of the political communities that form around instances, e.g. .ml, .blahaj.zone, .world
tbf, that heuristic works ~80% of the time, which is way higher than I’d like, but that’s the effect of polarization
Me: “I like pancakes”
Lemmy: “Only a shitlib western imperialist would think that. Read more Lenin.”
Nah, that’s just .ml
Me: “I like waffles”
Lemmy: “HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GO MY LIFE WITHOUT PANCAKES YOU OPPRESSIVE INSENSITIVE FUCK”
True, properly educated and vetted comrades would prefer blini.
-“Russia should not invade a sovereign country, murder its citizens and deport their children.”
-“Umm, actually, the US were doing crimes in Syria and you should not support them.”
But by contrast
“We need to negotiate an end to the war on Ukraine.”
“Oh so you want to let Russia kill all Ukrainians?”
And then some people comment:
“Yes, we should allow Russia to cleanse the Ukraine. I’m being nuanced, I swear!”
We’re allowing endless war right now, which means fighting to the last Ukrainian. All the aid we give them is meant to keep the war going as long as possible, not to help Ukraine actually win.
On Lemmy it’s more like:
“I don’t like pancakes.”
“Oh, so I suppose that waffles are perfect huh??”
Nah, it’s more like “you should delete windows now and get Linux”
I agree that conversations sometimes end up being about Linux, which is unfortunate. People seldom recommend installing BSD or other free systems, which is a shame. The lesson here is that we should all install OpenBSD.
Oh so you hate Linux, huh
Oh, so you hate BSD huh?
Oh, so you hate Plan9 huh?
Fish!
