Vegans being banned and comments being deleted from !vegan@lemmy.world for being fake vegans.

From my perspective, the comments were in no way insulting and just part of completely normal interaction. If this decision reflects the general opinion of the mod team, then from my perspective, the biggest vegan community on Lemmy wants to be an elitist cycle of hardcore vegans only, not allowing any slightly different opinion. Which would be very unfortunate.

PS: In contrast to the name of this community, I don’t want to insult anyone here being a ‘bastard’. I just want to post this somewhere on neutral ground. I would really appreciate an open discussion without bashing anyone.

PPS: Some instances or clients seem to compress the screenshots in a way they’re unreadable. Find the full resolution here: https://imgur.com/a/8XdexTm

Linking the affected users and mods: @Cypher@lemmy.world @gaael@lemmy.world @gredo@lemmy.world @iiGxC@slrpnk.net @veganpizza69@lemmy.world @veganpizza69@lemmy.vg @jerkface@lemmy.ca @TheTechnician27@lemmy.world @Sunshine@lemmy.ca @Aqua@lemmy.vg

  • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de
    92·
    2 days ago

    When talking about suffering, I am generally speaking of “pain, as processed by a nervous system”.

    At least for bacteria, their structures are simple enough to be understood to a large extent by humans. We know chemical reactions cannot suffer and we know proteins cannot suffer. Due to the simple nature of bacteria, it is highly doubtful that they are capable of suffering since all “processing” occurs through varying level of chemicals and minerals.

    But I cannot even prove that rocks do not suffer, therefore it is worthless to prove the absence of suffering. Rather, the ability to experience suffering must be proven.

    • Zagorath@aussie.zoneEnglish
      101·
      2 days ago

      FWIW I don’t think you need to define suffering so narrowly to make an argument for veganism or vegetarianism. You can accept that plants do feel suffering and still do it. Because the amount of plants that get killed per kilojoule of energy in beef (feeding the cows) is way more than the amount of plants killed per kilojoule of directly eating plants.

      • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        I cannot even prove that rocks do not suffer, therefore it is worthless to prove the absence of suffering

        This take is a big fucking YIKES from someone who claims to care about living things.

        • yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de
          1·
          1 day ago

          Just saw your comment, I meant it in terms of that the absence of something is often impossible to prove, therefore it is a worthless metric. The metric that should be looked at is whether something is showing indication of suffering.

          I couldn’t even prove humans are capable of suffering either. You can prove that pain manifests itself through activation of certain brain regions but that doesn’t prove the existence of suffering. It’s like trying to prove that the color red is accurately visualized in your brain.

          • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
            1·
            2 days ago

            Oops, I meant the person you were responding to, sorry buddy. I’m on your side here. I’m sorry I wasn’t more clear.

            The fact that they compare other living things to rocks… just… wow. I edited it to make it more clear who I was referring to. Once again, my bad and I’m sorry friend.

    • NSRXN (insurrection)@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      81·
      2 days ago

      When talking about suffering, I am generally speaking of “pain, as processed by a nervous system”.

      if you define it in a way that specifically precludes other creatures, that seems biased. you don’t know how a single-celled organism might be able to suffer. that doesn’t mean that they can’t.