- cross-posted to:
- energy@slrpnk.net
- cross-posted to:
- energy@slrpnk.net
Summary
Norway leads the world in electric vehicle (EV) adoption, with EVs making up nearly 90% of new car sales in 2024 and over 30% of all cars on its roads.
This shift, driven by decades of policies like tax exemptions for EVs, higher taxes on fossil fuel cars, and perks like free parking, has put Norway on track to phase out new fossil fuel car sales by 2025.
The country’s wealth, renewable hydroelectric power, and extensive charging network have enabled its EV revolution, serving as a model for other nations.
The point is exactly that… “this is the world we live in”… And as that world evolves, or as technologies and consumer desires changes, what people will complain about will change as well.
If there were no gas stations around… I would blame ICE cars for needing gas and thus would choose something else that fits my needs better. The point is that infrastructure exists and is part of the package of buying the vehicle. It’s fair game for discussion, and thus blame.
I think we’re just saying the same thing in different ways here.
We can blame lack of EV adoption (in part) on infrastructure reasons, but that itself is no reflection of the vehicle.
OTOH, there are reasons hydrogen vehicles never took off beyond simply infrastructure, so I’m not sure why this example was given.
Not the lacking infrastructure?
I agree infrastructure is part of the package of buying the vehicle I’m just not sure why you would blame one for the inconvenience of the other. Why not blame infrastructure for infrastructure problems, and vehicles for vehicle problems?
It’s not the infrastructure’s fault I bought the car that I can’t feed with whatever energy source it uses.
If I buy a car knowing that the infrastructure is lacking then the car causes me problems doesn’t it? Or lets say infrastructure disappears because of demand (or lack thereof), the car becomes useless, no? These things are linked.
If you buy a vehicle knowing you don’t have the means to fuel it, it’s not the vehicle that’s the problem lol.
I make public charging work, and knew what I was getting into prior to buying it.
If you want to explore the hypothetical of every home in the country suddenly being without power, I would still consider that a failure of our infrastructure/housing more than the vehicle itself. In that situation the vehicle is fine, you just can’t fuel it. You would also have other issues to worry about.
Would you blame your refrigerator for no longer being able to keep your food cool in a power outage as readily as you would your EV for not charging, or would you blame the grid’s inability to deliver reliable power to your home?
Both the fridge and the grid… You know how/why? I choose the model of fridge that keeps seal well, that is efficient (takes less energy overall), etc… There are decisions made when buying the fridge that rely on whatever cost I evaluate at the time.
This is my point… It’s ALWAYS both. They go together. The fridge is useless without power… The power is useless without shit to run. They are intertwined. If the power magically swapped to 240v rather than 120v, I’d be pissed at both the grid and my devices. If you buy an electric car and have nowhere to reliably plug it in, you’re going to be mad at the car (and hopefully yourself for being stupid and listening to the car salesman).
In this SPECIFIC case, I have solar and backup battery. So I’m even more in tune with actual things like how much power my fridge draws.
I guess I just don’t see things in such a short-sighted way. It makes no sense being mad at a car that plugs in to charge if you bought it knowing full well you can’t do that. It makes no sense to blame a fridge if there’s an electrical outage because the fridge didn’t cause it. It makes no sense to blame your solar panels on a rainy day because your solar panels do not control the weather. While you need to consider the limitations of anything you purchase before you purchase them, blaming the whole package when anything goes wrong is neither helpful nor productive. I don’t blame my car when a charging station is full, I blame our shitty charging infrastructure in this country that causes this problem.
Blame yourself and/or your housing situation if you can’t charge your car, blame the power utility if the power goes out, blame the weather for your bad day of solar power production. In each case, the problem doesn’t lie with the appliance, it lies with the infrastructure (and/or poor planning on the individual’s part). The appliance is working as designed. If that upsets you then you’re never going to be happy with anything.
I can’t believe I just had to say that.
Let me posit it a different way. Do you know how to design a car? or a fridge? or ANY of the appliances we’ve dragged into this at this point? Did you make the device? Do you think that you could have or would have designed something differently if you were in charge?
So if a designer/engineer makes a product that RELIES on something… Do you really have much say in the matter? Considering that like 99% of fridges rely on power coming from a grid… Safe to say you really have no options here?
So when the one thing it relies on goes out… Who’s fault is it? Nothing stopped that designer from putting a few SLA batteries into the thing and continuing on for hours during a grid outage… It’s both the appliance designer for not having the foresight, and the grid maintainers fault for the outright failure. Both together could have made something foolproof, but didn’t.
I can’t believe that you think you’re point of view is the only one that matters out there. What a ugly statement to make as if you were just explaining something to a child. Get over yourself. The world isn’t black and white. Lots of things are gray out there, like it or not, infrastructure is a core part of decisions people make, including what vehicles people will buy.
My dude you literally just explained why you shouldn’t blame the appliance 😄
I already agreed infrastructure needs to be taken into account when making large purchase decisions.
You can leave this thread any time if what I’ve said upsets you.
Didn’t know you were telepathic. I’m just telling you that you’re behavior is nasty. I don’t give a shit either way.
With the way things are going in Norway, i bet EV cars will be blamed for that one as well, when the petrol stations start to disappear…
BIG EV IS TAKING ALL OUR GAS!!!111