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    Hamas is holding Palestine hostage, they haven’t had elections in how long? Netanyahu is basically the George W Bush of Israel, curating the current situation in order to create the theatre of war. Meanwhile there are some ridiculously powerful Arab countries right next door who talk a lot of shit about Israel but curiously won’t lift a finger to aid Palestine. Why is that?

    The leaders on both sides are at fault. And their neighbours leaders. And world leaders. We need everyday people to stand up to this populist war mongering bullshit. Fuck the nepo babies who inherit their positions of power and influence - if we don’t say something now we’re all doomed.

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      Hamas has called for elections numerous times in the last decades. Israel and the US’s client government in the west bank, the Palestinian authority, refuses because they recognize that they will lose. Hamas is at no fault. As a resistance organization they are of the utmost moral standing. They engaged in symmetric military combat with the Israeli military in a textbook act of honorable military resistance when they had no obligation to. They display humaneness towards Israeli colonizers that defies all the brutality that Israel has visited upon the Palestinian people. This is a war against colonialism and imperialism. The belligerents in this war are the united states and Israel. What needs to happen is that they are defeated.

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        Fuck the Israeli government with a cactus, but that doesn’t mean Hamas is anything other than horrible. Groups of “the utmost moral standing” don’t seek out civilian casualties or rape women in the street or accept funding from the Israeli government to keep the “war” (oppression and genocide of Palestinians) going as long as possible

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          The reality is they did not target civilians, they only targetted soldiers and policemen, and they did not rape anyone on the 7th of October. The first point is corroborated by the testimonies of the Israelis in kibbutz be’eri who said the fighters did not harm them but asked them to call the police. In addition to the testimonies that the IDF shelled homes with their inhabitants and fighters inside, fired from helicopters onto the music festival, and shot their own citizens while trying to target qassam fighters, and the casualty figures reported by Israel itself, where 200, half of the burned unidentified bodies turned out to be Palestinians, its evident that Israel caused the overwhelming majority of civilian deaths on 7/10.

          The rape and sexual assault allegations are completely uncorroborated to this day, not even one testimony or piece of evidence supports them.

          This is not to imply that Palestinian resistance would be wrong to target Israeli “civilian” settlers, they would not. Settlers are active participants and beneficiaries of violence, murder, oppression, and ethnic cleansing. The social order where their comfortable lives depend on Palestinian death and subjugation must be upended. For the oppressed to inflict violence on their colonizers is for them to assert their humanity.

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            They literally posted videos of it, the fuck are you talking about? Hamas is a piece of shit terrorist dictatorship that Israel supports and allows to exist as an excuse to keep killing Palestinian civilians. Btw the “they don’t want to be in power but nobody will let them step down” bullshit is very tired and very obviously bullshit, you sound like a tankie trying to explain how Stalin wasn’t a dictator. Hamas isn’t fighting for the people, they’re tin pot tyrants with suitcases full of money from their supposed enemy, a convenient excuse for Israel to drive out and kill everyone in Gaza. Hamas is a pawn in Netanyahu’s game, if you hate zionism you should hate Hamas too

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              Show me the videos of Qassam fighters targeting civilians. Israel does not support hamas, that is delusional. They have never giver aid to hamas as a political organization. Israel funnelled money to hamas when it was a civil religious charity organization, before it had any political dimensions. They directly support the Palestinian authority. I never said hamas didn’t want to be in power. I said they called for elections. They would win these election because they are the most popular Palestinian political party. Hamas is fighting for Palestinian liberation and more successfully than any organization before it. That is a fact. All resistance of the oppressed is going to be used to justify violence and murder against them. That does not make resistance futile or helpful for the colonizer. All resistance factions would resist Israel in the same way in this position. Hamas’s Muslim ideology is irrelevant in the colonial stage.

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                The rest is wrong and I don’t give a shit about it, but if Hamas would win the election so easily, why not hold elections? What kind of delusional circular logic is that? “Hamas is popular, so no need to see if the people want Hamas to stay in power” You seem like you know a lot about the issue and have a lot of good takes, but Hamas Good is very very much not one of them. Ngl the kind of shit you’ve been saying here has major hexbear/grad vibes, like your only thread of logic is “Israel bad and supported by US, therefore their enemies are perfect by default and any evidence that proves otherwise is fake”

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                  What? Hamas controls the Gaza strip. They are calling for elections in both the west bank and Gaza, and the Palestinian authority (which controls the west bank illegitimately after losing the 2006 election) refuses because they will lose. The Palestinian authority is ruled by Fateh, the collaborator party that is supported by Israel. I didn’t comment on the need for elections. As a Palestinian in Palestine it’s clear that hamas would win in the elections if there were any. They already win in student elections etc.

                  In the context of colonization and resistance, there is nothing to criticize Hamas for. There is a lot to commend them on. Hamas isn’t perfect obviously. Hamas would be justified in attacking Israeli settlers as all anti colonial resistance movements would be. If there were any evidence of al qassam engaging in sexual violence, that would be an excess that needs to be exorcised with discipline. But there is no evidence of that. In any case it is certain that that is not part of the strategy or doctrine of the al qassam brigades.