We know what happens with peaceful protests, elections, and foreign interference (and more foreign interference), so how can Palestine gain it’s freedom? Any positive ideas are welcome, because this situation is already a humanitarian crisis and is looking bleaker by the day.
Historical references are also valuable in this discussion, like slave revolts or the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising, although hopefully in the case of Palestine a peaceful and successful outcome can be achieved, as opposed to some of the historical events above.
Maybe if it was the 1940s this would be a bit more accurate, but at this point, we’re a couple generations removed from the original mass displacements. Most Israelis today were born there.
Like I said, the way towards progress lies with both sides finding a way to get over historical grievances of who started what and who’s to blame for this and that and instead accepting the fact that they’re both here now and need to find a way to exist with each other.
You literally just described a settler state, complete with using reproduction as an occupying tactic.
Israel, the state, is illegitimate and needs to be dissolved. The Israeli people can integrate and co-createba society with the Palestinians or they can GTFO. Any that stay to explicitly disrupt this and form reactionary movements can get rekt.
However, as you say, this reality won’t stop the genocide. So a two-state solution is the most likely interim step.
You don’t fix colonialism is a few generations.
And you do, which starts with Israel not locking up the original owners of the land in a two small locations and bombing them and stealing their homes.
And they have every right to fight back against you because your crimes are still being committed.
I agree, it would be great for Israel to stop doing that, but again, regardless how you or I feel about it, they won’t unless they feel their security is ensured.
Even if you grant that Palestinians have the right to some level of armed resistance, which I wouldn’t even entirely disagree with, that doesn’t make it a pragmatic and productive idea. There is zero world in which Palestine wins freedom by armed resistance.
I’m much less interested in who has whatever moral superiority and much more interested in what would actually lead to a peaceful resolution, and we’ve already seen what one episode of Palestinian violence causes.
Again, I’m not saying it’s right. But this is the real world. Being right or wrong doesn’t count for very much when you have a bunch of guns pointed at you.
Peacefully protesting hasn’t and never will bring meaningful change
Armed resistance has us sitting here talking about how can we save them.
And honestly if your people were slowly being genocided would you sit by and try to find a peaceful solution with the genociders?
It also has 24,000 people dead, all so we can talk about it?
What has been gained? Are we any closer to peace? Is there now some path towards the end of the state of Israel? No, we just have a bunch of corpses. Some progress. Oh, and I guess we get to have conversations.
If the alternative was our assured complete destruction, yes, absolutely. Lives saved are worth so much more than my or anyone else’s pride.
There is though. Hamas’s method of “Make Israel keep turning the world’s people against it” seems to be bearing fruit, and will bear more as older people die off. The sacrifice being paid in return is questionable, but we can’t deny the results. It’s definitely more results than the peace process that came before it.