I don’t know if you’re referring to Gaza or Israel on October 7th, but here’s a press conference about the burned bodies.

https://youtu.be/SoTItPHa6mw?si=zPYvRhDoj1D-nwSB

You understand what you’re saying right.

This was a big media press conference, and the presenter. The presenter, was Dr. Chen Kugel. This was a slide on his own presentation. Do you understand?

Boom:

https://youtu.be/SoTItPHa6mw?si=zPYvRhDoj1D-nwSB

Video of the actual press conference.

Please relent, it’s giving me a headache.

He does address all the scans, the metal wire in the photo, right there, direct quotes from him too I should have led with this. Around minute 6 is when the images posted come up.

Please watch the video, please please I feel like I’m going insane. I should have led with it but I didn’t know there was video of the whole press conference.

Well look.

If this were any other country in Europe or the US, no one would be questioning the doctors, the first responders, and news outlets who report their claims. Because ultimately, that’s what’s going on here.

If you acknowledge that this is an unconventional response to such overwhelming proof, I will reserve my pure bewilderment.

And if you’re still questioning the Metal wire, yes, it’s in the Media Line report. Check the scanned image. It’s literally right there, bottom right of the scan you can see the metal loop, and follow it around the bodies.

Do you want the Telegram archive? I have access to 2. One that shows live killings, as corroborated by the BBC, NYT, who were shown the same footage at a screening in Israel, and one that shows images and CCTV uploaded by first responders.

Actually, it’s not embellished at all, in fact, if you’ve seen the archives, most reports under-sell the atrocities. You have to wonder why both The Media Line and The Guardian were at the same press conference, yet The Media Line chose to show the picture with the metal wire.

It’s because The Media Line clearly has an agenda to garner an emotional response from its audience?

That can certainly be true.

Another point of view is that sources like The Guardian are irresponsible for not showing the images when many people are accusing Israel of embellishment.

Yes there is a picture and there is a metal wire there and there are more, multitudes more.

There are trucks filled with burnt bodies, there’s images of a burnt child running and falling. There’s videos of smoke still rising from the bodies as first responders reach the scenes.

But you know, if you want more, here you go.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67165128

https://www.haaretz.com/0000018b-3313-dff1-a5eb-ffffee6f0000

Now you have BBC who corroborates the metal wire, and Haaretz that describes the beheaded babies as accurate, both well known and trusted sources.

If you actually want the archive with the first responder telegram that corroborates all this too I can PM it also.

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The allegation of victims tied together and set on fire is absolutely true. I saw the images, and here is an article with it.

https://themedialine.org/top-stories/evidence-on-display-at-israels-forensic-pathology-center-confirms-hamas-atrocities/

This article is corroborated by The Guardian, who was at the same press conference, but chose not to post that picture, but a couple other ones.

I saw another image of this mother and child as seen at the scene of the crime too in an archive curated by first responders at the scene.

Many, many of the victims were burned alive.

Edit: Haaretz was probably at the press conference too.

Here’s a PBS video https://youtu.be/jRccpmfQrEE?si=lv3pfejLk1n9E7sg

It’s probably a lot more than 40 in various states of intentional or indirect dismemberment, burnings, decapitations, or complete disintegration to the point where only teeth remain.

There are also various archives with have images and videos corroborated by this report and other news outlets, like Haaretz, NYT, the Guardian, and others.

EDIT: Ah this was about Palestinian burned bodies not Israeli, my apologies.

They have an official app LOL. You have to get it from their telegram. (I wouldn’t do it tbh)

Some of the sources I wanted to sub to but could never afford it are TIME magazine and The Atlantic.

WSJ I don’t believe gives all it’s articles to Apple. Could be wrong.

I wish the NYT was still in there, but they pulled out a while back.

I think The Guardian is in there though.

A PBS poll recently showed that the divide on Israel-Palestine is 60-ish% in favor, but for the youth its split 48% for Israel and 52% for Palestine. That is quite the even split.

This has got to be one of the most divisive issues among people my age, which is ages 18-25.

Holy shit, that’s a big stamp of the foot. That’s the first country to ban Pro-Palestinian demonstrations isn’t it?

“Not-for-profit” usually makes them more trustworthy, plus they were the first to report what the Gaza Health Ministry said about the hospital, prematurely too.

The most credible sources report truth and update stories if they are incorrect.

Yeah there is a thread put out by Geoconfirmed on Twitter, he only geographically locates where footage is, so he’s pretty unbiased.

By basically confirming where and when footage is, putting all the videos of this event together paints a pretty clear picture on its own, even without considering the other evidence.

I can give you other sources, like the Al Jazeera stream, and the analysis provided by Geoconfirmed.

This is publicly available information.

The reason I chose the AP is because they were the first to report what the Gaza Health Ministry said, and reported it as “Israel strikes Hospital, killing 500”.

They do in fact pursue truth and update stories accordingly, to my relief.

I would like to explain some more context in the comments before people say things like “I’m denying war crimes”

This was reported a day ago, but open source intelligence had confirmed these reports 8 hours after the attack. All which has been covered in this article, even the Al Jazeera stream that caught the whole thing on camera. (Interestingly, Al Jazeera still reported that it was still caused by Israel I believe based on the same evidence.)

AP was one of the first to report the Gaza Health Ministry said, with the article titled, “Israel strikes hospital, killing 500.” Over the next hours, they edited the article title 3 times, and had to emphasize that it was just a statement by the Gaza Health Ministry.

By then, it had been reported across the media landscape as an Israeli airstrike. Now, considering the past actions of Israel, like that reporter they shot a year or so ago, it’s quite easy to assume that Israel bombed it and tried to cover it up. But, news organizations are not supposed to assume. Instead, we learned that the Gaza Health Ministry, an organization controlled by Hamas, should be taken with a large grain of salt.

Casualties turn out to be far less than 500, more like 50-100. I am in no way minimizing the loss of life. But from a journalistic standpoint, this is a 90% error, a total disaster in reporting.

The NYTimes put out this Editorial reflecting on the error of the Gaza Hospital, comparing it to the error in the 2002 Jenin massacre.

The rush to judgment on Tuesday night will continue to haunt us all.

I’m inclined to agree, especially upon being banned from worldnews on the lemmy.ml instance for “denying war crimes and genocide” by posting this article FROM THE NYTIMES which was reported about a day after the incident.

I’m not trying to report “Pro-Israel” Propoganda, but this should make everyone take a seat back and be very careful when reading news. This conflict is extremely divisive and it’s challenging the status quo in journalism and global politics.

Additionally, news media can get it wrong, but credibility can be gained just as it can be lost, so they should be given a second chance, especially if they admit it, like the AP or the NYTimes did.

Rightfully so.

I didn’t think making fun of terrorists could be controversial until today nyaa~

Well if you are like “hurr durr 3rd parties”.

The most ironic part of this is that Al Jazeera happened to live stream 2 angles of the entire incident. You can see the rocket launches, and the failed booster of the specific rocket, synced with phones on the ground already recording because they noticed the launch.

You can see how the rocket booster failed over the hospital, and then the explosion.

The videos were geographically confirmed by Geoconfirmed on Twitter, who only geoconfirms things without more analysis.

US intelligence is corroborating this with satellite imagery.

Hamas doesn’t have the firepower to cause that big of an explosion, but Islamic Jihad definitely has more powerful rockets that could have done that. They announced a launch like 4 minutes prior to the strike on their telegram I believe.

Context:

NYT, WSJ, and other news media have started to report that US Intel confirms it was a failed militant rocket through infrared imagery.

Downvotes are legitimately, copium.

Absolutely not, at first I thought it was infact an Israeli airstrike, but upon pouring over multiple angles of video that has been geographically confirmed, it’s fairly damning, and fairly convincing that it was not in fact, an Israeli airstrike.

The incident had been broadcasted live by Al Jazeera too, so even if you have a bias in favor of Hamas and Palestinian struggles, all signs point to a self-inflicted tragedy.

Despite that, its far too late since everyone already started protesting at embassies in greater numbers. PA president and Jordan leader cancelled meetings with Biden.

The situation is deteriorating rapidly.