Listing so many pieces of bullshit is still bullshit.

What is bullshit? Zelensky’s regime kidnapping people and sending them to the meat grinder? You not wanting to see it for some reason doesn’t make it false.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/10/03/ukraine-is-employing-increasingly-controversial-methods-for-mobilization_6728127_4.html

But if Putin doesn’t like the results of the war he started, he can always leave.

I am sure you won’t believe me, but I’m not Putin. My friends are not Putin. My family are not Putin. Believe it or not, every other Ukrainian getting exterminated by Zelensky is not Putin as well. Could you please tell us, what do we need to do to not get kidnapped on a street and sent to die in the meat grinder? To be able to leave country to safety?

You misspelled Putin

Are you sure?

Damn, mass kidnapping people on territories he doesn’t even control (Kiev, Kharkiv, Odessa, Lviv, well every single city and village out there) seems really impessive, I wonder how does he do it…

Thank you for the feedback, I’ll take it into account.

So the argument is basically same as saying that the americans committed genocide during vietnam war because of the draft.

It’s not at all the same. What US government did to their own citizens and to the countries they invaded is also terrible, but US government can’t really genocide US citizens. People in US can have guns and can defend themselves from being kidnapped on a street and put into vans by people in masks. We, Ukrainians, can’t really defend ourselves. Our only options are running or knives / pepper sprays. It is not an effective defence mechanism against people with rifles. I am also not aware of people being kidnapped by US government (at least on the scale Zelensky is doing that) during Vietnam war. Nobody prevented people from leaving the country. The terror that Zelensky is doing is in no way comparable to what you’re trying to compare it with.

As a European that’s what I expect our government to do during an invasion. I would not call that genocide even if I’m sent to die.

Well, you don’t value your life or other people’s lives. I do.

So your point is that Ukraine is committing genocide by forcing their citizens to defend their country?

Zelensky’s regime is commiting genocide by kidnapping people on the streets and sending them to die, yes.

And somehow they are the bad guys, not the imperialist Russians?

As far as I know, real life doesn’t work like cartoons where there is a good guy and a bad guy. I never said that Putin is a good guy, I even explicitly said otherwise (for those who like to go to through my comments). And yet, whenever I mention Zelensky exterminating Ukrainians somebody must say “BuT tHEn You SuPPoRt RuSSiA!!”…

Maybe I misunderstood, but if not, that is some impressive mental gymnastics.

Way less impressive than funding a war, exterminating people, mass imprisoning them and so on, and still still somehow claim that you support them…

Eh, and that’s what I am talking about it…

Nothing would convince you. If Zelensky suceeds in wiping out every single Ukrainian from the face of Earth you will still find some excuse why it’s not genocide, or why it was good… :/

Well, as assholish as he is, at least that guy is honest.

If people started likewise admitting that they are genociding Ukrainians (because hey, it also hurts Russia, so it’s worth it) instead of “but we are helping Ukraine!” that would already be a huge progress…

Yes sources on all the things you listed would be great.

Sure, here you go.

Here is one about millions of Ukrainians being imprisoned in Ukraine, held as Zelensky’s hostages, since the start of the war: https://theconversation.com/why-banning-men-from-leaving-ukraine-violates-their-human-rights-178411

Here is ex-AFU colonel talking about how Zelensky turned Pokrovsk into a concentration camp: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7AXSB_WnYV0

As for the kidnappings, this shit happens every single day, there are so many videos and articles IN WESTERN MEDIA about this, how some people are still pretending this does not happen is beyond me… There is even a word for that now - busification. One moment you walk on a street minding your own business, and another moment you’re being packed in a van by people in masks. Just enter it in your favourite search engine. https://uadraftmuseum.ch/
https://files.catbox.moe/6vasrt.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/ur24tz.mp4
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/10/03/ukraine-is-employing-increasingly-controversial-methods-for-mobilization_6728127_4.html

And yes saying the leader of Ukraine is “genociding” Ukrainians is a meth head take on the situation. It almost sounds like you recently learnt that word and are applying it to everything.

So, how would you name it instead? OK sure, maybe “genocide” is too sensational, would “exterminate” be better? Or maybe simple “mass murder of hundreds of thousands (if not millions…)” is better?

EDIT: Although, considering that they started talking about genociding FOURTEEN YEAR OLDS “if such a need would arise” - I’ll continue calling this for what this is - a fucking genocide.

https://news.telegraf.com.ua/ukraina/2024-10-22/5882757-snizit-mobilizatsionnyy-vozrast-do-14-let-nuzhno-budet-pri-odnom-uslovii-korchinskiy-obyasnil

Any sources on this?

Sure, what exactly would you like to have source for? People being mass imprisioned in Ukraine? Zelensky’s concentration camps? Kidnappings of people?

Edit: reading through your comment history you sound like a meth head lmao

Why? Because I’m “slightly unhappy” with Zelensky trying to kill me, my friends, family, and well, all Ukrainians? :/

(If you went through my comment history, you should have seen sources for everything I’ve said already, but I don’t mind reposting them for you)

Additional money for Zelensky to continue terrorizing, kidnapping and murdering Ukrainians :(

You didn’t answer my question “what evidence (…) would be needed for you to admit that we don’t want to fight, and it’s Zelensky’s regime (…) that forces us to (…)” :(

Putin is trying to take your homeland and you’re doing nothing to prevent it.

What do you mean “take”?
What prevents me from living on the land Putin has taken?
Or let’s be more exact - what prevents people in Crimea, Melitopol and other cities/regions taken by Putin to continue living there?
Or maybe you want to say that the life there is worse? Then please define in what way. Is it being able to freely move? Is it not being a subject to mass kidnappings? Is it being able to speak your mother tongue without being discriminated for it (or worse…)? Is it being able to form political parties? Is it being able to vote for your president (even if you consider the elections rigged)?

You’re not even in your own country…

I cannot return there, until Zelensky’s regime is done. If I go there - I won’t be able to come back. I’ll be imprisoned like the rest of the country. I’ll be sooner or later kidnapped and sent to die.

Who should fight for their freedom if not the people that live there?

Fighting for freedom is fighting against Zelensky’s regime, he is the one taking the freedom away. And it’s extremely hard to fight him, as long as he has western support.

Ah yes, those US/UK/European/Ukrainian news media with their Russian propaganda… Damn Russian propaganda, nothing is safe from it :(

and saying that Ukrainians should just give up.

I’ll try to argue in good faith and ask you - what evidence (other than this post, apparently it doesn’t convince you) would be needed for you to admit that we don’t want to fight, and it’s Zelensky’s regime (with West’s support) that forces us to (and effectively genocides us)?

How about all the Russians getting forced in to a war just to die?

It’s also bad. Russia is not turned into a mass prison which people can’t leave and where they are kidnapped on the streets though, Ukraine is.
A man in Russia can leave at any moment.
A man in Ukraine is automatically a prisoner, he can only escape.

Where is the criticism of Putin and his regime and the atrocities that he commits?

Here it is: I condemn Putin for the atrocities he commits. I regularly hear from my friends and family, who are still in Ukraine, about Russian rockets/drones flying over them.

You see, I’ve tried to argue in good faith with you, despite you supporting Zelensky’s fascist regime that tries to kill me and people I know. Now, can you do the same? :)

Just today Zaluzhnyi (ex AFU Commander-in-Chief) said that if needed, they will start mobilizing (so kidnapping from the streets, etc.) women too.

And then it finally going to be a proper, total genocide of Ukrainians…

I am sure there are no red lines for Zelensky’s regime now… He can start murdering kids, and it will be met with western applause…

The source you linked doesn’t support your claims at all.

Doesn’t support which of my claims? Just scroll to the comments, I’ve archived videos for you there. People in masks and with rifles, throwing people out of cars in the middle of a road, beating people to the loss of consciousness, student beaten for answering a call from his mother, it’s all there.

Unmarked vans? Here, enjoy your participation in genociding Ukrainians!

https://files.catbox.moe/4m2o3d.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/wszg2t.mp4

This might be an effort to shift blame away from local government.

Might be, but I’ve seen articles (not from ua government) about plans to do this (and US pressure on that matter) long before the government spoke about it, so might be true.

But that doesn’t really matter, what matters is that the net for the meat grinder will be cast wider.

Yep :(
What will probably happen, is that kidnapping age will be reduced to something like 20-21, and it will be presented as a great success of Zelensky the Merciful.

Dont even bother with those people.

But what else can I do? :(
It’s my family and friends that could be next. I should at least try to persuade people to stop that…

Ukraine has a draft, which is not great, but isn’t kidnapping people off the streets. That’s completely disingenuous at best.

Yeah, Zelensky’s regime definitely doesn’t kidnap people off the streets. There are no masked people hunting people on the streets and putting them into vans without plates. Videos about that happening almost every day, especially so in last week are all fakes and Russian propaganda (even when Ukrainian sources write about it).

Yeah, I guess you’re actually right about that, when you look at what Zelensky does to Ukrainians - it indeed sounds quite similar to the western propaganda about what Putin/Russia does…

Zelensky didn’t choose to be invaded. Wtf are you on about

Even assuming that this is true - I didn’t say that he did.
What he did choose to do though - was turning country into a mass prison and kidnapping people on the streets and sending them into the meat ginder (so, murdering them).