All NHTSA recalls are, by definition, safety recalls. They’re literally called safety recalls and they are only issued for safety defects.

Strong disagree, a recall is a notice of defect which broken software qualifies as a defect. Call it a recall, let Tesla twist in the wind with their dogshit software.

For compariso’s sake, waymo claimed to be doing 50k rides per day back in July and Uber did 2.12 billion rides in 2023 or just under 40.8 million rides per day. Waymo is still a gadget, they still don’t have a general application to solving fully autonomous driving, let alone doing so everywhere.

So this news is either very very late and only meant for sensationalism, or the previous note about 50k rides per day was a complete fabrication based on a one time peak rate. Either way, one of them is nonsense which means neither of them is really meaningful.

So you can drive about 80 “city” miles round trip for $16k? That’s insanely overpriced. For 25% more you can get a Zero with 100% more range. Of you can drive 72 “city” miles for $2k less. 8 miles for $2,000?? What? And this is all presuming you’ve got LFP cells in there charged to 90% before you ride, and you come right back home.

Good range for a city bike, sure. Bad range for anybody commuting into the city from the suburbs. And the price is foolish high for what you get.

Same waymos that are unable to navigate a parking lot around each other. Yeah, gonna go ahead and press doubt on this bullshit.

Zero is a fine motorcycle. I assume you’ve done your homework about EV bikes and you understand what you’re doing.

Imagine already having a cheap, chintzy interior and thinking to yourself, “I bet we can screw our customers over even worse”. Wow.

Only now? It’s been two years of this and now they’ve had too much? No partial credit should be given for people that continued to participate when it was clear what was happening.

You’re talking 25% off MSRP, or worse a locally adjusted market price which isn’t the price people should pay. It’s a suggested price. You should be paying invoice price plus a margin for dealer profit. It would really help for people to know how products sell and what the various prices are, because not knowing these things leads to mistakes like thinking you got an amazing deal by discounting MSRP or even a local market price rather than moving upward from invoice price.

I think you need to look into how dealer pricing works, because you’re making a lot of common incorrect assumptions. The dealer’s margin on a new vehicle is, like 2%. They make a third of their revenue from accessories, a third or more from repair work, and the rest from financing finders fees.

You got 25% off a car because either it was used, or the manufacturer kicked in incentives. Not because a dealer could afford to give you 25% off.

Also, LMAO on hydrogen.

Because the Olympics aren’t good for anything but ruining nations and memes.

No climate scientist claims to know what absolutely WILL happen.

… this is easily the most foolish thing I’ve seen someone say online. What the fuck do you think climate science is?

Anyway, bye. Enjoy that sand you’re huffing.

The Paris Agreement

Your best attempt is a non-binding accord among nations, none of which are going to reach their Paris Agreement aspirational goals. I mean, I know lots of people have their head in the sand and believe in magical climate fixes, but this is an especially bad take.

Also, we absolutely ARE going to reach and exceed global temperature changes of 2 ºC. That’s the disaster tipping point.

You’re also using avoided emssions and pretending this is preventing disaster. It’s not. It’s avoided emissions, but we are already at the tipping point. You should try knowing something about this topic before posting quotes, because you very obviously don’t understand what you’ve read here.

preordained apocalypse.

Are you under the delusion that climate catastrophe isn’t coming? Because it absolutely is, and there’s nothing we can do about it. That’s scientific consensus.

I look at EVs as a scientist would:

No you don’t, because climate scientists realize that they’re a half measure and do more damage than we can afford. Again, a stop gap (at best).

Let me reiterate, I own an EV. You can feel morally judged all you want, that’s on you.

The idea that EVs will contribute little to global CO2 emissions is complete fantasy, and it demonstrates exactly what I was saying in my first comment. Nobody is willing to make the sacrifices necessary, so we all buy our indulgences and continue driving straight at the cliff we can clearly see. It’s already too late to stop a climate disaster, we’re simply determining how bad it’s going to be. And from where I stand, it’s going to be much worse than you’re pretending.

In the meantime, we keep on buying vehicles and dumping GHG into the air and pollution into our water.

It includes a transition away from individual transportation.

Light duty vehicles account for 57% of transportation emissions. https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/fast-facts-transportation-greenhouse-gas-emissions

BEVs do not reduce emissions enough. That is the point. Not even close to enough. And that’s putting aside all of the physical space requirements, lack of water absorbtion, pollution, and personal injury caused by vehicles.

It’s not an overnight fix, but the fact remains that people have magical thinking and believe EVs are fixing or addressing climate change. They ARE NOT, they continue to exacerbated the issue. Being marginally better isn’t fixing or fighting anything, it just lets you feel better.

You missed the part where the latch is deforming, causing it to not close or alert the driver. The software fix is yet another attempt to dodge the fact that they do not have enough repair capacity or financial reserves for a major fleet recall.

Ah, I see you think we can buy our way out of the oncoming disaster. Good luck with that.

FYI, I’m an EV driver, you don’t need to tell me anything about ev drivers.