already happening

bingo

what do you mean. democrats are commiting genocide in the middle east, torturing mexicans at the border, sending ukranians as cannon fodder.

and moving no muscle to stop and even contributing to any advance of the aforementioned fascism despite having the power to stop it.

science. realizing our monkey brains needs external help to actually try to be rational.

democrats are literally doing all these things, right now. and you really do think geopolitics justifies financing a big fascist for a genocide? cmon man. there isnt good justification to sit at the nazi table.

people dont want to vote to biden because peoples actual lives are still slowly getting worse, and all they can do is pretend not to be commiting war crimes. most countries with mandatory polling suffer from the same problem.

if anyone wants more from socialism they can quit being on the side of the actual politicians doing heinous shit and participate instead. real grassroots needs people.

no such thing as “jointly invaded”

the paragraph you are responding to is basically me saying “not orders of magnitude, here is a real world scenario to illustrate”

the tiny minority of us socialists are not capable of swaying public opinion the way you say we do.

if we were at all we would be doing much bigger countrywide striking, not still at convincing other people of anything.

yall need some history. the USSR and germany did not share borders until much later, the west was nowhere to be found by the time they reached berlin.

the us mostly really only helped by the end when victory over nazis was already on the horizon.

good point.

geopolitics is no excuse for the things being perpetrated inside but especially outside the us, currently by democrats. if the us made a bad judgment and found itself losing the situation, financing a literal genocide to avoid losing is not a justifiable thing to do here.

is this the whataboutism i hear about? can a country with gerrymandering and the electoral college (where most of the population hates its leaders regardless of party affiliation) be considered anything other than a dictatorship?

where people get kicked out of hospitals for not being able to afford it, teenagers are allowed (and sometimes coerced by circumstances) to work gruesome jobs and the schools teach religious slop as part of the law?

the OP article talks about something the US has been doing to the entire planet since the early 2000s with the patriot act, my dude…

when racism, imperialism and nationalism have been a main part of a given country’s identity for decades, yea thats fascism, and its precisely my point here!

don’t forget US segregation laws inspired the nazi treatment of the jews, and you havent changed much in that aspect since then, honestly. i don’t even need to say anything about nationalism, even americans can see it clear as the day. these things don’t lead to fascism, they are the alarm bells.

fascism is rising outside the west because of how tight of a grip you have on us and how you meddle with our electoral system (eg. imposing dictatorships on us). milei is widely and openly supported by western institutions. brazil has seen a lot of meddling for bolsonaro to succeed, also somewhat in the open. i could go on about this one.

are not mutually exclusive to voting in elections for the lesser evil

I agree with that. This case though, presents two very evil options. You guys have been legalizing child labour again, building a theocracy and doing an ethnic cleansing in the middle east under the supposed lesser evil. They are accelerating fascism regardless of who wins, vote if you will but other avenues must be pursued if you are to keep your thin veil of civility.

its just that the worldwide reach of the regime makes it easier to insulate the in-groups from ever seeing any of it happen. for this reason north-americans have a hard time grasping at how miserable you guys are truly making our lives, and how brutal the genocides you sponsor for money and influence truly are.

the genocide and general oppession of brown people outside the imperial core looks very fascist to me, its a step up from just imperialism.

they are not the same thing per se, but imperialism is a fascist strategy. genociding brown people or otherwise oppressing them for money sounds pretty fascistic to me.

its just that its on a worldwide stage now, so the in-group is even more insulated from seeing it.

But the US is not an authoritarian shithole

ha good one. snowden would love a word with you on that one.

that has been the case for a long time. there was a time there he was recommending google services, saying apple services are private, etc.

are they?

who else

op commenter was talking about a long term solution.

socialism begins with the organization of the working class. this organization can be used to press your boss and the government in an effective way in the short term.

this ‘pressure’ can look like a strike, but its not limited to it.