I once asked my nephew about this - he worked in a hotel back then. Yes, indeed, they clean toilet brushes in a dishwasher.
But it is a separate one that is only for toilet brushes and brush holders, nothing else.
I would completely agree with this and do it like this. Why? Saves time to say the least.
But, using the same one as for dishes? No way. Separate one, marked and all that? Makes perfect sense 👍.
IF your dishwasher is working properly then you ought to be able to put your poop knife, dinner dishes AND toilet brushes in and everything comes out sanitary.
Don’t ask why there is peanut butter left on the knife. You’ll be ok.
This isn’t true. A generic dishwasher for at home is not up for the task. Even the stuff they use in restaurants aren’t up for the task. And they already wash with boiling water. Despite this, there are always leftovers. I had the task of cleaning these things at a maccy Ds. Found pink mold that thrived in coffee grounds to survive the dishwaser perfectly. Like the pink goo from the teletubbies.
Yeah, you need a dishwasher with a proper sanitize cycle. Most residential dishwashers, even some with an alleged sanitize cycle, aren’t up to the task. This is why laboratories will pay top dollar for an industrial dishwasher that looks nearly identical to a residential version but it actually will sanitize its contents.
Holup, you raise an interest point. A true sanitize cycle is heat. It gets hit enough to kill everything.
How the fuck is a plastic toilet cleaning brush surviving the level of heat sufficient to kill all bacteria?
If the original dishwasher from the past for got enough to kill bacteria, the brush couldn’t survive. Therefore, the dishwasher isn’t getting hot enough to kill bacteria. Therefore don’t put poopy plastic into your dishwasher!
So what we’re looking at is sanitize vs sterilize.
A sanitize cycle typically gets the temperature of the water up to about 65-75°C and holds it there for at least 1.5 hours. This kills the vast majority of pathogenic microbes as human pathogens typically live at around human body temperature. You’ll see ads on how this cycle kills 99.999% of microbes, but the fine print typically states something along the lines of “foodborne microbes” or “pathogenic microbes”. Anything outside of that may survive, especially if it’s a species that forms endospores or a toilet brush.
Sterilizing by definition kills anything living and deactivates viruses. You won’t get sterilization by heat in any dishwasher, which is why laboratories and medical facilities sterilize with an autoclave. An autoclave utilizes pressure to raise the water temperature up to around 120-135°C without it boiling. This still won’t sterilize everything, particularly the aforementioned endospore forming bacteria, but it’s functionally sterilized for most purposes. For true sterilization, certain autoclaves can reach much higher temperatures and pressures, in excess of 600°C and 0.5 GPa, respectively, which obliterates fairly well everything, but those are extremely uncommon and for niche uses as temperatures that high may just melt your glassware.
And last a lot longer… probably.
Bottom line, no, I’m not washing feces in my dishwasher, period.
This is the same sort of reason why you can’t 3d print items that will come in contact with food. 3d printing leaves microscopic holes in the surface of the object, and once food gets in there, it’s never coming out and will become a breeding ground for all kinds of nasty stuff.
Yeah I was gonna mention that I don’t think the soap and steam really care if it’s poop germs or food germs. As long as your dishwasher is working properly, everything in there should be snapped out of existence.
Seriously just make sure the peanut butter is rinsed off beforehand.
Incorrect. It’s not the same set of germs. And there could be parasites’ eggs in poop. And they are very resilient.
The 0.01% of germs antibacterial soap doesn’t kill is only found in poop.
I had an old dishwasher I used as an improvised parts washer when fixing up cars.
I used a ratchet strap to keep the door closed because the latch was busted, but it still heated the water and sprayed it just fine.
How did steel and aluminum parts react after coming into contact with hot water and soap? I can imagine a non-trivial amount of milling/resurfacing of any interface that is meant to take a gasket due to how metals react to caustic environments.
Unless you disabled the dishwasher’s internal heating element and used degreasers instead of water… that makes a lot more sense.
I work in a production line that makes parts for diesel engines. We wash the parts in water and alkaline solution, then they hit a drier and get dried. Basically a giant dishwasher. The company is multi million dollar and world wide.
Just a long winded way of saying your imagination is wrong
most dishwasher detergent formulations contain corrosion inhibitors for steel, some even contain corrosion inhibitors for aluminium though those are usually in the upper price segment.
See, this makes sense to me. It’s the same way with anything IMO. If it involves bodily fluids, beyond native saliva and tears, you probably want to wash it specifically. At least in its own load, possibly in a different machine entirely, maybe even get it professionally handled, or clean it with fire. Depending on the severity of the soiling…
I have no issue with someone using a thing that was designed for another purpose to do something that it’s designers didn’t think of. As long as you’re not cross contaminating your food with it, I couldn’t really care less… But bluntly, using your dishwasher, the same one you use for dishes, to clean your poop scrubber? Big nope from me.
I worked at a restaurant in the kitchen. We had a place on the wall to hang brushes. The GREEN brushes were to be used for food/prep areas only. The white brushes were for cleaning toilets, and other filthy places.
The white brushes were soaked in buckets and rinsed/washed thoroughly in a slop sink, then later, put in the racks that push through the dishwasher conveyor belt that ran through the machine if I recall correctly. It’s been more than 20 years
Did you have a black hook for the poop knives, also?
I bet they wash the poop knife in there too
I was hoping this one would stay on the other site.
The Poop Knife follows
For so long as the world continues to be a giant turd, the Poop Knife will be needed
It’s like the snail curse of forums.
I’m not sure I could forget that post if I tried. The same goes for the post about the “swamps of dagobah”.
It’s an Internet phenomenon at this point, not just an othersitely one.
It’s also an actual thing in reality… There’s a reason that it was mentioned in the way back beginning times, before the internet was e’er dreamed of. Thus it will never stop cycling into the mental workings of the internet. We must bow before its perpetuity.
It sure is! I just wish I could remember where I first readit…
I had to look up “poop knife”. I’m so glad I did
One of today’s lucky 10,000!
I also just learned what it is thanks to this topic, not disappointed
Poop knife is too much, but toe knife is acceptable 👌🏾
Have you considered a toe spoon instead?
Wait do you say “meat cube” cause actually I could go for a meat cube
Wow, you can never tell with people. Go to someone’s house, and maybe they’re secret toilet-brush-in-dishwasher people. And there you are, innocently using their dishes.
For situations like this, I suggest blissful ignorance.
I just never go anywhere.
Using their poop knife.
Imagine going to someone’s house for the first time without bringing your own poop knife. I thought we all learned from that hilarious story that some houses don’t even have a poop knife 😆
That meme is so tired.
That’s just the meme lifecycle. You gotta know when to cut the poop and when to flush, and maybe this is one poop that has been cut enough.
Or “quit mincing poop” as my gram used to say whenever I would take too long with something.
to chop salads
As a wise man once said, “you can’t eat at everybody’s house.”
Thank God dishwashers are not that common in my country because I’m sure stupid people would use it like this.
Have you heard of kitchen sink spaghetti? Well now you have. Enjoy the meatballs!
Yikes. I would never eat there again!
Logically, the heat used for drying should kill any germs. But why risk it.
I rinse mine in the toilet bowl when it has bleach based toilet cleaner in it. That alone keeps them pretty clean.
I do that with my dishes too
And there’s the full-circle joke. Bravo. 👌
I miss the ol’ Reddit switcheroo :(
Be the change you want to see in the world! We’re at the beginning of greatness here, the tip of a drill that will pierce the fediverse, carving out a meme that future generations will never see the bottom of!
Ah, the ol’ Lemmy Dish-aroo!
Hold my shitty dishes, I’m going in!
Swish-of-poo
It wouldn’t be the heat used for drying, it would be the heat used for washing. Assuming that you have a dishwasher with a sanitize cycle/option always use it. they are required to reach a minimum temperature of 150f. typical range in actual products is 165ºF to 180ºF (74ºC to 82ºC)
I still wouldn’t trust that to be all that great. Sanitize isn’t a very controlled term (sterilize is). If you look up autoclaves, which are essentially steam baths to kill bacteria, they only get 90% of microbial life after more than an hour, and their temperatures are much higher than any dishwasher will reach.
I rinse mine in the toilet bowl when it has bleach based toilet cleaner in it.This is the way. Edit: I don’t know how to quote :P
There’s a really good short form podcast by a couple food scientists in the USA and they covered this one saying not risky. https://www.riskyornot.co/episodes/548-cleaning-the-toilet-brushes-in-the-dishwasher-top-rack
Even if true, what if someone said they shit on their plates, throw the shit in the toilet, them dishwasher the plates.
Would you conceptually still be ok eating off that plate? Even if you knew for fact it had gone through the machine?
Yes. I would be happy to eat off a clean plate that once had shit on it.
Truly we live in a society
Frankly I’ve been to a golden corral before I don’t know why this is even a question
Most dish cleaners are like, bleach-based. As long as it was something that could be killed with bleach and hot HOT water/air, I really could care less
So you watch me I take a shit on a plate, put it in the machine and serve you chicken tendies off that plate an hour and a half later.
That’s insane
Do you consume drinking water
Buddy if I watch you shit on a plate we ain’t eating tendies together regardless of what plate you use
wouldn’t be the nastiest nor most unhygienic thing humans do willingly on a regular basis by a lot. it is mostly just the idea that is quite uncomfortable.
Yes, I have eaten at a restaurant before.
Huh don’t have time to listen to the whole thing rn but wonder what their rationale is 🤔
It’s been a bit, but if I recall, it’s that the dishwasher already reliably cleans unsanitary things that are loads more biologically risky like cutting boards used for raw meat or potentially contaminated with things like Norovirus.
I have never even once cleaned a cutting board in the dishwasher…
I always do lmao, at least the non-wood ones.
Running plastic cutting boards in the dishwasher is less weird to me, but in general it is a weird concept to me, it was just never done at home or at any place I did the dishes.
There’s a reason restaurants cannot use wooden cutting boards.
I always put my cutting board in the dishwasher
You should, heating it for three hours is better than sanitary wipes.
Sanity wipes?
What are people talking about here, I wash my cutting boards by hand in the kitchen sink, it has worked well for decades
I could see it being safe from a germ perspective but when a little nugget of shit rattles around in the machine and ends up anywhere near what you’re using to eat that’s gotta suck, safe or not.
You have to consider only two things really:
- Maybe, just maybe, something which was designed to kill the bacteria and remove the residue of things that came in contact with fresh or at most rotten food, is also totally effective at doing the same for things that came in contact with fecal mater and with toiled cleaning chemicals. Or maybe not.
- Do you for a toilet brush need the level of cleaniness achieved by a dishwasher, and if not are there other reasonably simple methods to achieve the required level of cleaniness for it?
In the absence of actual scientific studies that provided an answer for the “is a household dishwater entirelly effective for fecal mater and toilet cleaning chemicals contamination” question with a high degree of certainty, the consideration on whether to do this or not boils down to: “Is a dishwasher level of cleaniness for a toilet brush worth the risk that the dishwasher might not deal with fecal mater or toilet cleaning chemical contamination correctly?”
Personally, I don’t think it’s worth the risk.
This is far too reasonable of a comment for shitposting. I’m going to need someone to shit this up a bit, please.
Either your toilet brush is too clean, or your dishes are too shitty. Stop it with your nasty ass dishwasher.
That’s better, thanks.
This is a very reasonable post.
Here is another reasonable approach which is simpler. Isolation and containment is the best way to prevent spread of bacteria from one place to another. Minimising taking any items from the toilet to the kitchen, minimises the spread of bacteria between the two places.
So without any scientific study or evidence specifically to dishwashers and toilet brushes, we can make a reasonable assumption that taking a toilet brush from the toilet to the kitchen is a bad idea and should be avoided.
I doubt this is real, but if it were and I were the poster I would also isolate and contain that home. I would erradocate the movement of me from any other location to that home.
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Bottom shelf usually gets a more aggressive wash. I think these are better suited for bottom shelf.
Closer to the heat element though, so a lot of plastics are top rack only
I’d worry about this, but I don’t care if the toilet brush leaves plastic or gas a reduced lifetime.
On the other side of the equation, it seems like a little detergent in the toilet bowl and some vigorous swishing should be enough to get the brush as clean as it needs to be.
This is what I do.
It only ever goes from the bowl to the holder. I live in my forever house, so it will stay there for the foreseeable future.
Yeah, I’m just not understanding why my toilet brush needs to be sterilized. I’ll settle for “not poopy.”
What if you are double dipping to brush your grill with it?
Grill burns all the bad off. Nothing to worry about there.
Don’t be silly. It’s way better for scrubbing vegetables.
My mistake
Yeah toilet brushes really should specify which dishwasher rack they are safe for.
But then where would u shit?
I mean logically the kind of shit that grows on your dishes isn’t much better for you than the literal shit that a toilet brush would scrub out of your toilet bowl. They both contain a lot of the same bacteria, you wouldn’t be much better off licking an old used plate that has been sitting in a moist environment for a few days before you put the dishwasher on than you would be from licking a toilet brush. Well made dishwashers are designed to vigorously wash and, with the right settings and detergent, sanitize everything inside them so that they are safe to eat off of. Heck the machines they use to sanitize surgical equipment are essentially fancy dishwashers. But emotionally I couldn’t do it. Even if I used the best dishwasher known to man and rewashed everything multiple times, I just wouldn’t be able to get over that mental hurdle.
I mean logically the kind of shit that grows on your dishes isn’t much better for you than the literal shit that a toilet brush would scrub out of your toilet bowl.
First, what the fuck is growing on your dishes that you believe is “logically” equivalent to eating human shit? Second, this isn’t a logic problem or a place for opinion. All the work was already done for you, just waiting for you to look it up instead of giving your opinion on bacteria.
Human shit also doesn’t only contain bacteria. There’s an estimated 100 million - 1 billion virus per gram of wet shit inside of us. Fungi are estimated at up to a million microorganisms per gram of wet shit and there’s still around 100 billion bacteria per gram of wet shit. Let’s not forget parasites like cryptosporidium which your body purges in shit.
Meanwhile either giving your dishes a cursory rinse or not allowing them to sit covered in food for days on end would minimize bacterial or fungal growth on your dishes.
This is a reminder for everyone: your opinion on facts that you can’t be bothered to type in a search box are less than worthless. They’re disinformation and in some cases, like telling people that eating shit is no more harmful that licking a plate, can cause harm.
Just say no to opinions on what facts may or may not be. Cite your sources.
I didn’t say it was the equivalent I said neither are good for you and both could be cleaned and sanitized sufficiently by the right dishwasher, so please don’t put words in my mouth thanks. Damp used dishes stuffed into a dishwasher for a few days aren’t going to have anything good for you on them either and that’s how most people treat their used dishes. We get viruses and parasites growing on regular food that has gone bad too, and both are going to disagree with your stomach and potentially do some harm. Does rinsing your dishes or washing them right away help mitigate or prevent that? Sure. Does everyone do that? Of course not. I never said “eating shit is the exact same as licking a dirty dish” nor did I say anything close to that. I said “both are bad for you and a well made dishwasher is designed to clean things really well and even sanitize them in order to make them safe to eat off of, so it makes sense logically that this could be safe but I still wouldn’t do it anyway”.
You literally said ‘isnt much better’. A magnitude of a few thousand is ‘much better’ in my opinion.
Noone likes being criticized but this could be an opportunity to embrace it and learn something.
The real question here is how many grams of shit are actually in the bristles of a used toilet brush
Also how many microbes (because mako used number of actual organisms per gram to make his numbers big and scary) per visible colony or growth that you’d see on a plate with food that’s been left out for several days.
What he should have elaborated on, instead of only a single sentence with a curse word for emphasis, is that the microbes in your fecal matter are more likely to be able to survive inside of your body if they make it past your innate defenses when consumed. They were already in one area and survived, and now they may be entering a different area (which is one of the major ways infections can happen). You have plenty of microbes happily surviving on your skin, in your digestive tract, etc. without causing any issues, but if they make it elsewhere, some pretty nasty infections result. Look up Staphylococcus epidermidis and its outcomes for people who have plastic medical devices implanted, even though it’s really great for you to have it on your skin.
Damp used dishes stuffed into a dishwasher for a few days aren’t going to have anything good for you on them either and that’s how most people treat their used dishes.
No they don’t, don’t project onto the world what you think is normal. Everyone I know washes up or puts the dishwasher on straight after they’ve eaten, then puts their dishes away when they’re clean and dried.
Wait, you know folks who regularly run the dishwasher each day?
I do yes
Wow. It usually takes my partner and I two or three days to fill it. I should look up the specifics of the model and see if the energy saving option is worth it for small loads
Ah that’s the issue. The people I know have 2 kids, so it takes half the time to fill the dishwasher.
Personally I only run the dishwasher when we have people round for food and drinks. Otherwise I wash up the old fashioned way because it saves power.
yay, the brutal science man to the rescue!
I don’t know what “brutal science” is but I do know that the scientific process was used in many peer-reviewed studies to understand what lives in our shit. That holds a lot more weight for me than what an anonymous poster feels might be right in regards to the same subject matter.
Furthermore, the greater concept here is that we as a species have access to actual information by powers of magnitude more then ever before in human history and yet a significant percentage of the population believe that vaccines cause autism because a washed up Playboy bunny repeated what she read from a discredited “doctor” and it caught on like wildfire.
People in general too often believe what they hear or read without legitimate evidence. Disinformation exists at best because people unconsciously believe their opinions are just as valid as peer-reviewed research, and at worst to weaponize information for personal gain. Whatever the intent it’s a plague on humanity and I won’t apologize for calling it out when seen. If that’s too “brutal” for you I hope you can get to a place where reading cited information in response to opinion doesn’t disrupt your sensitivities.
But emotionally I couldn’t do it. Even if I used the best dishwasher known to man and rewashed everything multiple times, I just wouldn’t be able to get over that mental hurdle.
I know, right? If nothing else it just feels wrong…
Like those wastewater treatment systems that turn sewage water into cleaner drinking water than we normally use, it still feels icky.
That’s literally how they convinced people to vote against doing it when I lived in L.A. They called it “toilet to tap.” Now L.A. is running out of water and suddenly they’re desperate to do it.
Guess what? Animals piss and shit in municipal water supplies that aren’t recycled. Constantly.
Still people drink tap water. How come?
where else would you get drinking water? a water shop? a spring?
What Im trying to get at is that its obviously not that big a hurdle, at least I dont know anyone that regularly complains about feeling nasty drinking tap water. Its just about what people are used to, not reall, about something being unclean or not.
To be clear personally if given the choice I’d rather the recycled piss water than tap water considering it has stricter standards.
I was just pointing out the ick factor exists whether or not it’s logical.
In some places, tap water is drinkable. For example, where I live. Sure, it doesn’t taste as good as bottled water, but it’s safe to drink.
Depending on where you live tap water has the same or not noticibly lower quality of bottled water. Just for a fraction of the price.
That was my point. The water quality isnt affected by the fact that there were tons of shit swimming in the same water a few days before.
I don’t know about the dishes but according to my memory of something I read a while ago (can’t look things up right now), the kitchen sink and kitchen brushes aren’t much cleaner than anything in the toilet; and actually, kitchen washcloths/sponges tend to be worse than toilet surfaces.
So, maybe don’t put toilet brushes in the dishwasher but definitely don’t put in kitchen washcloths either. Not sure what this means about us washing dishes by hand with a sponge either. And maybe don’t put in used washcloths along your clothes in the washing machine.
i would assume the big problem with toilet items is that some quite nasty bugs come out of our bungholes, whereas in the kitchen you’ll at worst find salmonella if you don’t practice good hygeiene around raw unvaccinated bird products
It’s not about killing microbes, it’s about getting rid of pathogens and spores they create. You can’t steam that away. For example, botulinum toxin can withstand up to +85C and botulinum spores can withstand boiling water. No dishwasher will make your stuff safe from botulinum.
Ew… like, all alone, with nothing else in the dishwasher at all, and a rinse cycle in-between that and other things that you plan to eat off of?
Even then, it seems inefficient to me. Also, why would those even need to be cleaned - do you plan on eating off of those?!? They get “cleaned” well enough by going into the toilet - no need for more?
I’m surprised the market isn’t absolutely filled with UV toilet brush cleaners.
Usually I clean the toilet with soap and the brush, and then occasionally clean the brush by cleaning the toilet like normal, flushing, and putting a stronger antimicrobial (looks like bleach but isn’t, since they don’t sell it as much anymore due to the danger it has around the house) on the brush and then rinsing it in the toilet and flushing again.
Mostly I don’t want it to stink. It’s bad if anyone has cause to notice the toilet brush tucked almost behind the toilet. Same for the plunger.
Meeh, I do clean them from time to time. They do become very dirty after a while and it shows since they’re white. Not really often, like once a year, but still.
Great! But uh… the more distance between them and things I eat off of, imho, the better! :-P
Just like Skibidi Toilet, simply b/c you can do something, does not mean that you should.
Great! But uh… the more distance between them and things I eat off of, imho, the better! :-P
Of course, I don’t clean them in the dishwasher, lol 😂.
How do you clean them? I’m not sure how I’d even do it.
You take the bowl in which it resides, you clean that with… whatever, soap, shampoo, dishwashing liquid. Use a dish sponge from the rough side, gets the best results 👍. Then, you fill that up with some hot water and pour some soap/shampoo/dishwashing liquid in that and start stirring that with the toilet brush, just grinding it in there. You do that for about a minute, it should be shiny as new.
Thanks. I’ve never thought of doing this. My brush is disgusting lol
Glad I could help 👍 😊.
You take that shit back right now or Ill wash your mouth out with an uncleaned toilet brush!
Skibidi Toilet is fucking brilliant for what it is. Its like an abstract arthouse scifi film made with free tools. It somehow made me laugh, cheer and feel creeped out. Ive seen worse content made by serious movie studios. Its amazing to watch the whole.thing and see the creators skills come along throughout.
Oh, I forgot the /s. The joke was too good to pass up.
I did watch every single episode. It was… well, it existed, and that is something that I can say about it! :-P
Also, it is highly creative, that is another:-).
not scooby doo again
The water sprays from the bottom so I think it would not matter whether they are on the top rack
It might even be worse, depending on the dishwasher’s design.
While we’re at it…do people really put their dildos and pocket pussies in the dishwasher?
I wash them in the toilet 🤷.
Some things cost so much that regardless of what’s on the label,hand wash only is the only reasonable answer.
That’s the other thing: my hands touch cock/vag and I’m fine with using my hands to wash my hands
Top rack only
absolutely
Yes, but do make sure the material they’re made of won’t melt or deform in the high heat of a dishwasher
I would prefer they get boiled… 100C/212F is higher than the midrange a dishwasher will reach, and it will be more constant contact than the steam and spray of water.
🤮
My mother used to recycle her douche bottles, throw it in with the regular dishes, and make her own. Guess who always had to wash the dishes…
Some lucky therapist is gonna pay off their house because of you
Your mom didn’t really think things through, did she…
Can’t find the YouTube link I’m looking for with the “guy with deep voice” but it’s close enough to this link… REMINDS ME OF TOILET SEAT DUET…
Not gonna lie your sister might have some mental illness, let’s consider for a minute that the dishwasher might be very very good at cleaning I still would never do this due to the gross factor. Sorry mate but I’m not gonna put anything that goes in the bathroom anyway near things that food goes on to!!
