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crime involving moral turpitude
Moral turpitude laws are puritan christian bullshit that should not exist.
But since they do, me might as well use them to unleash the face eating leopards.
I mean, making dubious consequences apply to the “in group” is a vital step in getting rid of those consequences. Most conservatives were fine with treating addiction as a crime in the 80s when it was black folks getting arrested for crack, but when it was white, working class folks getting arrested for opiates, we were able to start talking about addiction as the medical condition it is. It’s a shitty road towards progress, and I wish we could better… but changes in a democracy require convincing people of the need to change, and sometimes that just can’t happen until they fall through the cracks in society personally.
Nancy Reagan was personally soft on abortion, but she knew it played to the base, so she was gung ho to overturn Roe V. Wade. That was until she found out stem cells might be able to help Ronnie’s dementia, then she was all for using corpses to make medicine.
It’s the classic conservative condition: I didn’t see it was a problem until it happened to me. So let’s start making it happen to them.
… the ABC entered “Miscellaneous Ad Interim Permits,” which allow the facilities to continue serving alcohol until a hearing on the renewals is held.
So, still no consequences.
Anyone applying for or holding a liquor license is entitled to a hearing if they’re denied. That doesn’t change just because it’s Trump. I do liquor licensing in a different state and you really can’t just take it away without due process. He may well get to keep the licenses, because his conviction wasn’t related to liquor laws, and for us, that’s one of the only times we can revoke one. This is really not a case of him getting special treatment.
I’m sure he’ll be treated like all other convicted felons
Lololol
In this instance? Probably. We just had a hearing for a guy charged with bigamy and DV, and he got to renew his license. We have another guy who owns a bar (thank god not in my city) that’s known for being a dangerous shithole, and he keeps getting licensed somehow. Most liquor laws make it pretty hard to essentially take away someone’s livelihood, regardless of what you or I think about it. I wish it was treated as more of a privilege than it is, but Trump is far from the only felon with a liquor license.
Maybe you’re right but if so, this would be the one time he’s treated like everyone else.
What is DV anyhow?
I searched “Bigamy and DV charge” first; then searched “DV charge” before I got my answer. I’m just saying that you’re not the only one who didn’t know the acronym
If I had scrolled another comment down, I would’ve had my my answer. So I appreciate ya asking for everyone else who doesn’t know
Domestic Violence
So if someone is convicted of like a gun crime or rape or murder as long as they were sober at the time they can keep their liquor license? What if they are in jail? Can a person own a bar, get convicted of homicide in the first degree, and keep with bar open with their license even if they are behind bars?
I’m not questioning this case, I’m just curious since if only liquor crimes can take a way a license that brought a lot of questions to my mind .
So the short answer is that it’s complicated. Long answer is (with the caveat that I’m not an attorney and we have one that guides our licensing board) that those are crimes of moral turpitude, which are considered when evaluating a new application or renewal. Per state law, the existence of a conviction isn’t enough on its own to deny the license - the board has to consider things like length of time since the crime and the applicant’s conduct since then. I genuinely have no idea what would happen if someone was in jail. I mean, I’m sure their license would be denied, I’m just not sure if they’d even be allowed to renew or maintain ownership in the first place. It’s never come up. More than likely, they’d sell it or transfer ownership before it ever came to me.
I don’t know NJ liquor laws, but if they’re similar, I can see them saying sorry, the conviction was too recent and you’ve shown zero remorse, no license for you. That said, I have no idea if Trump, individually is considered an owner, or if the license is under a subsidiary company where everyone knows it’s ultimately his, but he’s not involved in any of the day to day, so the establishment can remain licensed. Frankly, it’s not going to hurt him as much as the people who will lose their jobs if the license goes, but I’ll be interested to see what happens.
I’ve learned a lot from your comments, much appreciated!
Interesting, thanks for the info
You’re mistaking consequences for unilateral penalties absent of due process.
He’s facing a whole ton of consequences, like 500 million of them.
Good. Now imprison the fucking traitor.
B-B-But Biden had a raspy voice!!!
It was much more than a raspy voice, or a stutter, and you know it.
When you are blatantly disingenuous, it does not help the cause, it hurts it.
Sorry I hurt your feelings, and you know it.
They made a good point, though.
Fair point - except it’s hyperbole, not disengenuity.
Biden at his dullest is sharper than Trump’s sharpest.
If Biden has dementia, then so does Trump. And that’s worse bc his followers are demented in spirit.
Unlike the dems.
disingenuous
adjective
Not straightforward or candid; insincere or calculating.
Pretending to be unaware or unsophisticated; faux-naïf.
Unaware or uninformed; naive.
It was definitely disingenuous.
pretentious twat
Yawweee877h444
It’s definitely you
Biden could trot out as a half-rotten corpse and I’d still vote for him over a serial liar and traitor to our nation.
Not the point I was making. But you already know that.
Fuckface 45 is a literal and incipient threat to the very fabric of our democracy.
Fuck off with your bullshit.
Your attitude and methods are childish and bullying, exactly the methods of the MAGA cult. You are the reason trump might win again.
Paradox of Tolerance, motherfucker.
Trumpets need to be bullied. They’re gonna let Trump dominate them if no one else does
Still a better love story then twilight.
I mean, he also clearly has dementia. Like, we know what he used to look and sound like, he was VP for 8 years, recently. The change in lucidity and articulation from then to now is staggering. If he were my grandfather, seeing him like this would make me cry. I’ll never vote for that traitorous, narcissistic, felonious piece of trash running against him, but goddam if this isn’t the most pathetic presidential ballot in my lifetime by a massive margin.
Biden clearly does not have dementia. He has some other serious problems, but his mind is there. Once you decode his halting delivery, the ideas behind his positions are sound. You can tell his mind is still sharp, it’s his body that is betraying him.
The criminal is only capable of lying and deflecting.
You can tell his mind is sharp
Wat. At the debate he just full faded on many questions let alone that medicare reaponse, jesus.
To me, it looked like the problem was not his brain, it was between his brain and his mouth. His brain knew what it wanted to say, his mouth took the long road to get there. And when you only have a minute or two to make your point, every second counts.
I am not saying that to try and gloss over the problem. But I’ve watched older relatives succumb to Alzheimer’s and dementia over the years, and this is not it. It’s different. It’s still bad for any older person, though, much less a President.
Regardless, he’s been “betrayed” and I’d really rather not have to describe the only possible reasonable candidate for President of the United States that way. Sorry?
You are correct, of course. And that’s why this movement to get him to step aside is gaining so much traction. The more I see key Democrats defending him in public, the more I think the private conversations are getting heated.
There is so much riding on this election that we can’t just call a mulligan and say “we laid an egg this time, we’ll try again in 2028”.
Compared to Trump who forgot WWII happened and thinks that water destroys magnets.
Thinks that water destroys magnets.
No no, you see: water is 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen. Hydrogen is a key component of nukes, and nukes destroy magnets. Trump was telling us in code, because the baby-eating Dems are looking for an excuse to have him replaced with a body double so he can’t give obvious messages.
—Some Qonspircy Theorist
I hope the satire is obvious
If he clearly has dementia, what does Trump clearly have?
Dementia
34 felony convictions and pending
You forgot Putins love child
Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
3 Supreme Court Justices in his pocket
Tiny peepee
Venereal disease
This one’s the least “clear,” but c’mon, the dude’s a sicko
Bad taste
A fragile ego masking deep-seated, vicious self-hatred, probably stemming from said Parental Issues
KKK endorsements
Daddy issues
Mommy issues
No teeth
No hair
No empathy
Untamed ego.
A big heart, duh! /s
Cardiovascular disease is a bitch, eh?
Biden is just old, and the cold did him no favors. He was also I think completely unprepared for the firehose of just straight up disprovable lies coming at him while also trying to actually convey his talking points. Even if well I don’t think it’s a great medium for an 81 yr old man. Listen to him elsewhere though and it’s clear he still has his marbles, unlike Trump who is on a fast decline and unable to even explain an idea. The man isn’t as young as he was clearly, and probably should have just retired long ago. But having known family and others with dementia, I don’t think Biden has dementia at all, he’s just old and debates like an 81 yr old.
How could he possibly be unprepared for Trump to lie, that’s literally all he does. Three of my four grandparents had dementia, my father has the early stages already, I’ve worked in hospitals and group homes, I know the glassy-eyed stair of senility well. If he’s too old to hold a planned discussion in the absolute optimal conditions, he’s definitely too old to be president. Like I said, I’ll end up voting for him, because why the fuck not, can’t be worse than the alternative. But seriously, the thought of him having civilization-shaping meetings with other heads-of-state looking and sounding like that is unnerving to me.
Well like I’ve said in one of these threads, it really was the perfect storm for him. That was about as bad as he has looked and sounded in his almost 4 year term. I saw video of him at a campaign stop the next day and it was like night and day. He was still old, and still had a cold, but he looked more alive - for lack of a better word.
But I 100% agree that the party’s only choice shouldn’t be a rich white senior citizen. The minimum age requirement is 35, and we should be shooting for closer to that, rather than well past “retirement age”.
It really is that bad. Watch the videos of Biden from the Democratic convention in 2008 if anyone has any doubts.
I remember in 2015 I thought the most pathetic ballot would be Hillary Clinton vs. Jeb Bush because it would be like we lived in a hereditary monarchy. I had no idea how bad Trump was and underestimated him bigly.
Still, since we know fascism is characterized by the near worship of a strongman leader, I’m perfectly fine taking the opposite approach. If Biden is in cognitive decline, so what? As long as his administration continues to do good work, his administration gets my vote.
We need to vote for “Not Trump” even if its just to ensure that there is a “Not Trump” in future elections.
Only the courts can ensure that, or Mother Nature. They’re both taking too long.
So which is it? Liar or “doesn’t know what dementia is”?
Did you respond to the wrong person? If not, sorry, I can’t parce it.
You claimed Biden “clearly has dementia” which either means you’re lying because you know he doesn’t, or you don’t know what dementia is. I’ve had plenty of moments like he had in this debate but even as a young neurotypical child, and most people have. Sometimes under pressure people lose their train of thought. Obviously we want a president that is not prone to that, but the other option is someone of basically the same age but is additionally a huge piece of shit
How could I “know he doesn’t”? Literally no one can “know” he doesn’t, not even him. But based on the hundreds of hours I’ve spent working with people with many varying degrees of dementia, it really really really looks like dementia. Sorry, I don’t want him to have it either, but those glassy eyes are very familiar to me, and it’s not a look I’ve ever gotten from “a young nerotypical child,” whatever that has to do with anything.
Okay, so there would not have been a way to know you have first hand medical experience that you’re now claiming. The pushback was against the wording “clearly” because that’s obviously meant to say that this is cut and dried which I highly doubt it would be – medical opinion and whatnot.
Are you really saying that dementia is a binary condition? My understanding is that it’s something that slowly comes on. While you could easily say “this looks like dementia setting in” and get no pushback, saying “this is clearly dementia” has an incredibly different ring to it. To me that wording implies if you asked him his name he would either not know or would struggle. I never really thought my grandparents had “dementia” because despite being slower and forgetting things, they never seem to have lost their core knowledge or personality. And Biden was probably much more on his toes than they were. So yeah, I can’t say I agree with this snap assessment even if he “clearly” presents some symptoms.
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Now just cancel his citizenshipso he can run crying back to uncle vlad
Trump calls him daddy.
Vladdy?
He has Vladdy issues
An extremely rare Sunday Riker!
So I recently finished TOS and am about to finish the first season of TNG. All of this is just to say, I’m excited to see this episode only because you keep posting the meme (aptly). I’m actually kinda waiting to see when his goatee appears in the first place
Please, no spoilers anyone! I’m really enjoying the journey
Rare and welcome!
I have been well Rikered and I’m happier because of it.
You know he’s just pacing around scowling and muttering unable to talk about anything else but this for days - just the same complaint over and over - and all his servants are wondering what they did in a past life to be subjected to this
The subheading walks back the headline: “The golf clubs are temporarily allowed to continue to serve alcohol until a final hearing on the renewals is held in July.” Journalism in the 2020s. Could have been fixed by just changing the word “does” to “will.”
The New Jersey Attorney General has decided on Friday not to renew two liquor licenses at former President Donald Trump’s New Jersey golf clubs following his conviction on all 34 felony counts in his criminal hush money trial.
“The New Jersey Division of Alcoholic Beverage Control (ABC) has an obligation to maintain integrity in the alcoholic beverage industry in the state,” said a spokesperson with the New Jersey Attorney General(NJAG).
There’s nothing wrong with the headline and the subheadline does not walk anything back. The liquor licenses were not renewed, and a final hearing is scheduled for July. Turns out, the problem with journalism in the 2020s is that you just need to read the article. Go figure…
You’d think half of Lemmy used to be editors the way everyone obsesses over headlines here.
I saw someone earlier today berated for using the original headline for the article as the rules state because the headline was a little deceptive. It was clarified if you just read the little preview blurb at the top of the page, you didn’t even need to read the article. Just incredible.
Whoa, whoa whoa whoa WHOA…reading the article explains the article???
Edit: Not a big fan of humour 'round these parts? That’s fine, I get it, it’s not for everyone. Take care, folks.
Yeah, during those reviews they are going to get their liquor license renewed. Why? Because those businesses have not abused their liquor licenses and have followed all appropriate laws.
The article sites a law that licenses cannot be issued to those convicted of ‘a crime involving moral turpitude’, but then does not follow up by demonstrating the license is being issued to Trump. It merely claims he would benefit from it being issued to the business. The law quoted does not state it can’t be issued to person x if some other person would benefit who has been convicted of such a rime.
But we all know its really change “does not” to “will.”
Boof bro will personally take up this case and see to it that a former president is immune from liquor license requirements. HE LIKES BEER!
Love it
I can piss in his mouth and call it booze for free.
That’ll teach him
