TimLovesTech (AuDHD)(he/him)

I personally couldn’t imagine trying to overcome telling a court room of people what I can only imagine is PTSD inducing memories, and then on top of that receiving death threats from Trumps cult. I’m not sure one could have enough years of trauma therapy to overcome that.

It might also be the allegations are 100% true, but the death threats and people trying to destroy your life and those around you might not be worth it. Look how Stormy has been treated when the Cult is out to get you.

He has stated that he wants to pardon everyone for Jan 6th, and will likely pardon anyone willing to be his militia against the Left/immigrants. The Supreme Court has thrown gas on how fast they are going to be able to go through the whole Project 2025 playbook.

Yes, but now he could do it legally (well full immunity making legality mute).

The issue this time is that one party still flies at least two of those flags still.

It blows my mind that people can argue that Trump is the worst possible outcome for our country and the world, and then follow that up with “we need a candidate that can beat Trump”. If everyone knows what is at stake (democracy), how is Biden not capable of beating Trump? Do people think that not voting, or voting 3rd party is going to somehow keep Trump out of the white house? Anything but a vote for Biden (or whoever ends up on the ticket opposite Trump) is who everyone needs to vote for, or they have chosen Trump and doomed us all.

The Chief Justice did give two examples, as a kind of playbook for Trump and the people behind Project 2025. The two things he mentions that for sure fall within the absolute can’t investigate/question/use as evidence/prosecute “official” acts are:

1. pardons (they may pardon anyone for anything for any price)
2. command their Attorney General (DOJ) - which they can then use #1 to cover them for any illegal requests they carry out

Except that it would be against the law, and it’s hard to contrast yourself with Trump if you are also now committing crimes (even if those crimes are for the bettering of the US). Immunity doesn’t blank your crimes from the public’s minds, and forcefully removing even bad faith Justices from the Supreme Court is not a great look when he has been campaigning on knowing “right from wrong” and respecting the rule of law.

If he isn’t going to, someone on the Left needs to start explaining from the rooftops to everyday people, “here is what this really means” with some crazy examples. And they should also be targeting Trumps own people as well, explaining that this is the power Biden has now, but if Biden is replaced that next (and likely more “radical left”) individual will now have all that power should they win in November. See how they feel about Harris being able to lock any of them up, without due process or even having to charge them, then being able to pardon her DOJ, and all of it would be untouchable.

Or since they love conspiracies, tell them Harris can wait and see who wins the election, and if they lose she could exercise the 25th on Biden, grab the power for herself, and declare Trump and his campaign all be rounded up and it would all be within her new powers and completely untouchable.

He won’t though, because he’s basically a moderate Republican that wants to both sides everything. He’s afraid to offend the same people stabbing him in the back.

So Trump, but with Trump you also knew he was going to bring racism out of the shadow and put it on a pedestal. He also turned the misogyny up to 11. Hillary was 100% the lesser of 2 evils, but that message was lost to all the “drinking baby blood” and other complete horseshit.

It’s not easy to have the whole internet locked up, and I’m sure Trumps trial only increased his cults attacks against her. Also nice victim shaming.

What a wild timeline we are in. He is only in trouble because he went along with the man that is now a 34 count felon. They then use the felons nonprofits to act as a slush fund to pay his legal bills, thus committing more crime! Brilliant!

I think the Democrats need to do a much larger PSA about what exactly this means. I’m not sure 100% of Trumps cult, or many moderates, would be cool with knowing that Biden right now could have his DOJ lock up basically anyone in the US, with no reason needed, and then pardon them (his DOJ). This would all be actions that cannot be questioned, or used against the President as he has full immunity to:

1. pardon anyone for anything
2. command his DOJ

Those are the 2 examples that the Supreme Court majority gave as examples in their “ruling”, and they gave both a completely made up unconstitutional condition of immunity that cannot be used against the President, or questioned/debated in any way. These 2 items are a gift to Trump in their hope that he takes the white house and will allow him to round up everyone he wants and put them in death camps if he wanted. He orders his DOJ to do it, pardons them all, and it’s all above the law with no possible oversight available. But I think if more people on the right knew that Biden has this power right now, BUT!, if some on the left get their way and they replace Biden on the ballot, and they win, that person would now wield this absolute power.

Edit - Extra words =(

The amount of disinformation funneled into the US social media platforms was also on a whole different level than ever seen before. Facebook itself spread enough disinformation and propaganda that it single-handedly helped disenfranchise a large number of people. It’s really what helped create Trumps cult, and divided everyone else.

Yep, I had checked her age the other day because I knew she was close. I don’t think all the right of center Dems like Biden and Pelosi would get behind someone that progressive. They want someone that is going to play the both sides game, and play everything safe and like it’s 1990 and we don’t know that in 2024/2025 Republicans are going to try to burn the whole thing to the ground.

Yep, the Court did this all to set the stage for Trump knowing that Biden (or Dems) wouldn’t abuse the new power.

But since they aren’t going to abuse it they should be on every news station every night till the election explaining the danger of the Court. Hold press conferences everyday, make the Republicans have to take a stance on a Supreme Court writing new law instead of adjudicating cases like they are supposed to be doing. Make it so everyone that doesn’t normally follow the news finds out they just set the stage for Trump (or the next even further right fascist) winning.

My understanding is that a President from founding until now has been afforded immunity from civil lawsuits for official duties, but it was never intended to shield a President against criminal prosecution. That is why Nixon stepped down, because he had crossed that line and was going to be criminally charged/prosecuted.

The court has now taken and re-written the law for Trump, knowing that Biden (or any Dem) President will not abuse this new King power that the Court put themselves in charge of determining what applies and what doesn’t. They have opened Pandora’s box thinking they can control this new power, but if a dictator wants to be a dictator, they will find a way around the Court. This is going to have long term major repercussions for generations.

You aren’t missing anything. Our Supreme Court is supposed to look at each case and make sure that the law was applied correctly according to the constitution and case law, but has now become an extension of Trump’s legal counsel doing backflips to bend (and inow seems also rewrite) the law to his benefit.

This is from snippets of Justice Sotomayer’s disent I found here.

Sotomayor said that the majority opinion, written by Chief Justice John Roberts, invents “an atextual, ahistorical, and unjustifiable immunity that puts the President above the law.” Their ruling, she went on, makes three moves that she said “completely insulate Presidents from criminal liability.” Sotomayor said the court creates absolute immunity for the president’s exercise of “core constitutional powers,” creates “expansive immunity for all ‘official acts,’” and “declares that evidence concerning acts for which the President is immune can play no role in any criminal prosecution against him.”