FRANKFURT, Aug 25 (Reuters) - The suspect in custody for a stabbing rampage in the western German city of Solingen that killed three people and injured eight is a 26-year-old Syrian man, authorities said early on Sunday.

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    Yeah here you go: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/06/terrorism-far-right-white-supremacists-911-us

    The guy from Norway, the guy in New Zealand, the guys in Germany were all nazi shooters mowing down immigrants. But politics and media call them lone wolfs or disoriented kids and it has nothing to do with their nazi manifestos vs if they’re Muslim it’s a problem of Islam as a whole.

    I don’t blame anyone for actually believing that Islamism is real our biggest threat because media and politics make it seem that way.

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      But in fairness I believe those numbers vary year on year, and some years the figures are wildly different. After the Syrian influx for example.

      I don’t blame anyone for actually believing that Islamism is real our biggest threat because media and politics make it seem that way.

      Cards on the table. I believe, like most people do according to opinion polls, that it is a bigger threat. And obviously I can’t prove this but I am also more or less certain that I am at least as informed as you, from at least as many sources. For what it’s worth - and this is purely for context - I work in a media-adjacent field and have humanities degrees in different European languages.

      So perhaps this is not a case of mass indoctrination, but rather simply of individuals having different values.

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        Did you read the article? It doesn’t talk about one specific year and covers also the period after “the Syrian influx”. Far right terrorism consistently beats Islamist terrorism both in terms of frequency and lethality.

        Regarding your second point it would just help reading the article that I linked. You may believe that you’re informed but still your feeling goes against hard facts. You asked for statistics, we gave you statistics, you still refuse to change your mind so I don’t see any point continuing this conversation.

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          you still refuse to change your mind

          And how about you? What would it take to change your mind? We both know that no article or data will make your change your own mind on this subject. You understand the essentials already, as do I. So let’s not insult each other’s intelligence.

          It is common knowledge that during the year following the Syrian influx several hundred people were killed and over a thousand injured in a serious of spectacular terrorist attacks. For a couple of years the numbers put far-right violence thoroughly in the shade. Since then the figures have even out somewhat. But for individual attacks there continues to be discrepancy in lethality, in part because jihadism is motivated by morbid religious doctrine in a way that neonazism is not. I’m talking in generalities and I’m not going to waste my time trying to defend all this with numbers. You are obviously informed and you know it already.

          This qualitative difference in the violence, along with Islam’s unusual religious supremacism, and its ultra-conservative cultural baggage, and the clear-as-day difficulties Europe is having in integrating people from this particular region - these are what worry so many of us in Europe. Again, you know all this already. I am not a cynic, I don’t think you really believe it’s all a matter of racism, which is the usual slur used to shut down debate. You simply feel differently about risk. Perhaps you are just more optimistic about human nature.

          We’ve both said what we have to say about this subject. Have nice day.

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            It is common knowledge that during the year following the Syrian influx several hundred people were killed and over a thousand injured in a serious of spectacular terrorist attacks.

            Can you support this claim with a reliable source? Because that is a huge hyperbole to my knowledge, with most of the rare Islamist attacks having a low single digit number of casualties and not that many more injured. The list on Wikipedia seems to support my knowledge on that point.

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            Yeah I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt but you’re apparently just another right wing troll and I’m tired of that, one of the reasons I left Reddit and it’s always a pain in the ass when people like you arrive. I was only waiting for the part you’re treating 1.5bn Muslims as a monolith and here we are. You’re full of shit.

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              With respect, you seem to have an issue with tolerating the viewpoints of others. I’m not sure what interest you see in participating in debate if it’s only to talk with people who agree with you already.

              I don’t consider myself right-wing at all. More of a liberal. I’ve only ever voted for liberal, social-democratic and green parties. I do it even when I disagree with some of their positions. If that’s a surprise, it shouldn’t be. On this particular subject, far more of our fellow citizens agree with me than with you. That doesn’t make us right, obviously, but it’s worth remembering.

              Hating everyone who disagrees with you is a road to bad places. The vast majority of people are decent, even if they don’t all share the same values. The whole point of democracy is to find a way to compromise.