The territorial violation by China is the latest in a series of events amplifying tensions between Beijing and Japan.

A Chinese military surveillance plane breached Japanese airspace off the country’s southwestern coast on Monday, marking what Japan’s defense ministry described as the first known incursion by China’s military into its territorial airspace.

According to a ministry official, a Chinese reconnaissance aircraft briefly entered Japanese territory near Nagasaki Prefecture around 11:30 a.m. on Monday. In response, Japan’s Self-Defense Force put fighter jets on high alert and issued a warning to the Chinese aircraft.

While Chinese planes frequently appear in international airspace around Japan, this incident represents the first confirmed entry of a military aircraft into Japan’s territorial airspace.

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    1
    arrow-down
    19
    ·
    2 months ago

    Now that reality has unveiled the decrepit, incompetent reality that lies beneath the propaganda

    I mean, we’re saying this with a Boeing Starliner stranded at the ISS. But sure, America has a super-secret anti-hypersonic missile system that’s just like the Iron Dome (nobody ask how Hamas was piercing the Most Sophisticated Defense System in the world with a box full of scraps, btw) only 10x better.

    I hope this cheerleading is just a halfhearted

    This whole thread is nothing but cheerleading. You’re even fan-casting the existence of anti-missile systems the US admits it doesn’t have.

    • Buelldozer@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      11
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      I mean, we’re saying this with a Boeing Starliner stranded at the ISS.

      Meanwhile another US company, which is also a defense contractor, has revolutionized the space industry. It regularly launches satellites by the dozens and can rendezvous with the ISS anytime that NASA asks. The fact that one company, Boeing, is struggling with a product means absolutely nothing to the industry as a whole.

      But sure, America has a super-secret anti-hypersonic missile system that’s just like the Iron Dome

      It’s absolutely no secret. It’s a Patriot System and it’s quite capable of handling the laughable “Hypersonic Missiles”, i.e. repurposed non maneuvering ballistic trajectory junk from the 80s and 90s, that adversaries field today.

      Does the US have perfect gear that never fails? Absolutely not, some of our stuff is junk or near junk, but when it comes to this kind of thing the the US has no peer.

      You’re even fan-casting the existence of anti-missile systems the US admits it doesn’t have.

      We we have an entire Department dedicated to it along with platforms like SBX-1 and THAAD (among other things.)

      Again its not perfect but it definitely exists and it gets better every single year.

    • cygnus@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      ·
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      You must have me confused with somebody else. I’m the one saying hypersonic missiles are pointless. The US toyed with them 50 years ago, and AD was obviously much less advanced than it is today. Not only that, but AFAIK the Sprint Missile is still the fastest of all time, so by your own standard where more speed makes for a better missile, you should be cheering for the USA.

      • Buelldozer@lemmy.today
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        arrow-down
        2
        ·
        2 months ago

        I’m the one saying hypersonic missiles are pointless.

        Old generation non-maneuvering were pointless. The new ones though…

        • cygnus@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          5
          ·
          2 months ago

          Speed comes at the expense of maneuverability. The laws of physics still apply, even in Russia (or on the internet).

          • Buelldozer@lemmy.today
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            3
            ·
            edit-2
            2 months ago

            It undeniably does until the DoD gets spooked and starts burying defense contractors in unspeakably large piles of money. Then you get the AGM-183A and where did the US choose to test it? Guam where China could would have a front row seat.

            There’s so much ludicrous tech rolling out of the US MIC right now that it’s honestly getting hard to keep track of. Rapid Dragon missile deployment, hypersonic missiles, hypersonic planes, combined cycle rotating detonation jet propulsion, laser defense systems, next gen ICBMs, quantum radar, quantum lidar, underwater autonomous drones that can self power and remain hidden for months at a time…the list of verifiable stuff hurts my brain.

            • cygnus@lemmy.ca
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              2 months ago

              The 183 was cancelled, no? And yes, there are always lots of goofy sci-fi projects on the go. My favourite to date is MARAUDER, because it was cool and especially because of the acronym. It’s extremely unlikely that any of those will be produced at scale, though, let alone deployed anywhere. TBH I’m far more concerned about cyberwarfare and the negligent approach to cybersecurity in infrastructure than I am about high-tech weapons.

              • Buelldozer@lemmy.today
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                2 months ago

                The 183 was cancelled, no?

                Maybe yes, maybe no. There’s no official decision yet but it exists and that means it or something like it will soon find its way into the inventory. I agree that there’s always lots of small scale high-tech demonstrators but things like E-SHORAD (Laser Air Defense system) are already out there. The combined cycle rotating detonation jet engine already exists at Hermeus (and they supposedly got it from Lockheed), Rapid Dragon exists, Manta Ray exists.

                I agree with you on CyberSec. It’s a real and urgent problem.

                • cygnus@lemmy.ca
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  2 months ago

                  I thought the laser CIWS was deemed a failure and shelved too? Or are you referring to something different? I’m not familiar with that jet engine, but it looks like a new and improved scramjet. Rapid Dragon is just putting missiles on a pallet instead of on a pylon, so I’d hardly call it groundbreaking… And this is the first I hear about Manta Ray. It looks cool, but I wonder how they get a signal to it when it’s deep underwater?

                  • Buelldozer@lemmy.today
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    ·
                    2 months ago

                    I thought the laser CIWS was deemed a failure and shelved too?

                    I don’t know about a laser CIWS but the Army already has DE M-SHORAD units deployed.

                    but it looks like a new and improved scramjet.

                    You could say that, just like you could say a 2024 Mustang GT is just an upgraded Model T. :)

                    Combined Cycle Combustion has been worked on for at least 40 years now and adding Rotating Detonation to it is on another planet of complexity. In the end it’s a Jet Engine with fewer moving parts capable of efficient output at speeds from Zero to Mach 5+.

                    Rapid Dragon is just putting missiles on a pallet instead of on a pylon, so I’d hardly call it groundbreaking.

                    It’s not the weapons system that breaks ground, its the capability that it enables. A single stealth plane of any type can be hundreds of miles forward of cargo planes and relay targeting data for dozens or hundreds of missiles dumped out of those cargo planes.

                    And this is the first I hear about Manta Ray.

                    Manta Ray is an amazing platform that solves some real operation challenges for the US Navy and I predict they will end up deploying hundreds of them. How it communicates seems to be a secret right now but I’m sure it will come out eventually.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        5
        ·
        2 months ago

        hypersonic missiles are pointless

        An even bolder claim.

        the Sprint Missile is still the fastest of all time

        The theory behind the Sprint Missile was to deflect an ICBM with a nuclear blast. That’s definitely a potential solution to a hypersonic missile attack, but I’m sure you can think of a few reasons why it didn’t go into mass production.

        • cygnus@lemmy.ca
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          6
          ·
          2 months ago

          My point is that the concept itself is antiquated. The US restarted their hypersonic missile programs a few years ago due to media and public pressure caused by Russian and Chinese propaganda about their wunderwaffen. It’s one of those ideas like railguns that resurfaces every few decades and gets shelved again.

          Er, actually, I take it back… Please report to your superiors that hypersonic missiles are the future, and that decadent westoids are terrified of them. Prioritise these programs at all costs (other than keeping the Kuznetsov afloat, because that is also very important).

          • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            1
            arrow-down
            6
            ·
            2 months ago

            the concept itself is antiquated

            “Fast moving thing is hard to stop” goes straight back to antiquity, sure. But post-Cold War or mattered a lot less because we no longer had a first generation military adversary.

            The US restarted their hypersonic missile programs a few years ago due to media and public pressure caused by Russian and Chinese propaganda

            Yes, because the US media and the US MIC aren’t joined at the hip. GE Aerospace was strong armed by Hulu, which was strong armed by TEMU and Rosneft in turn.

            Please report to your superiors that hypersonic missiles are the future

            Americans will spend their last billion dollars on one more new aircraft carrier rather than go to therapy.

    • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      9
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      2 months ago

      The only one positing that a missile defense system has to be 100% effective to be real is you.

      • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        arrow-down
        7
        ·
        2 months ago

        a missile defense system has to be 100% effective to be real

        It can be 0% effective, so long as it turns a profit. The best anti-air system is the one people simply think is effective.

        It’s the ultimate Bear Patrol. People will pay through the nose, convinced the shield is why they’ve never been hit.