What happened in the vegan community?

I hadn’t heard about any of this until seeing that ToS post.

  • Varyk@sh.itjust.worksOP
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    3 months ago

    their vitriol is…weird. if they just said “i prefer…” not many would be bothered.

    “you’re a murderer.” does tend to ruffle feathers.

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      3 months ago

      Forreal, longtime vegan here… Vegans (online mostly) annoy me more than most people. I swear we aren’t all jerks! I’m probably a major sell out, I don’t even have a problem with hunters.

      • Cris@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Honestly as a linux nerd sometimes I feel like us open source folks have a similar problem

        You do a bunch of work and make sacrifices to accomplish living in a way you feel proud of! Wonderful! And then you turn around and antagonize people who don’t invest all their time and energy in the issue that you personally really connect with…! Oh… Wonderful… 🙃

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          3 months ago

          As someone who’s been working tech for two decades, the more assbaggy the linux user the less they actually know.

    • IzzyScissor@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      Almost like ruffling feathers is the point when you truly believe most people are being murderers. You don’t change society by being polite.

      • Varyk@sh.itjust.worksOP
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        3 months ago

        Activism isn’t about being polite as much as effecting change, which vegans are doing the opposite of through much of their online presence.

        Lots of activists change society by passing legislation, organizing political action and peaceful protests.

        Irritating other people with half-baked personal invective won’t get you anywhere productive.

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        3 months ago

        You don’t change society by making yourself look like a dick and making everyone just want to ignore you either

    • JaggedRobotPubes@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      A lot of us are murderers in that way. Or accomplices, whatever. The thing about vegans specifically is that there’s not any moral need for it. The goodness to animals would make you vegetarian. Not having cheese or eggs is not the slightest bit morally better.

      • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world
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        3 months ago

        Eh kinda. The working conditions of cows and chickens is pretty horrible. I could see not wanting to be involved in that.

        But personally, I’m going to worry about improving the working conditions of humans first.

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        3 months ago

        Well now I’m wondering if you ever had an actual conversation with a vegan, because they actually have good reasons for this. A vegan diet is simply the most consequential idea if you want to minimize the necessity for animals to die, at the very least (even if we ignore the various ways of exploitation) because male chickens and calves obviously have to be killed in order for these industries to function.

        • BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world
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          3 months ago

          I’ve had conversations with vegans, and when one said that honey isn’t vegan because it’s produced by an insect (they said animal, but that’s incorrect), I stopped pretending that (at least some) vegans have any logic to their arguments.

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            3 months ago

            Wait, why is there no logic in there? Insects are animals, and honey is made by bees, which are insects and thus animals.

            If you believe you shouldn’t use animals for your food production, which is a reasonable definition of veganism, then you shouldn’t eat honey.

            I mean, fine if you do eat honey too, but I don’t really see your point here.

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                3 months ago

                You might be mixing up vegetarianism and veganism. Vegans also don’t drink milk or eat eggs. You don’t need to kill a cow or a chicken to get either.

                • Mrs_deWinter@feddit.org
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                  3 months ago

                  You don’t need to kill a cow or a chicken to get either.

                  You kinda do though, at least if you’re purchasing those products. Male chickens and calves definitely have to be killed to sustain those industries.

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                    3 months ago

                    You’re not wrong, but it’s kinda besides the point in this argument about honey not being vegan.

          • BCsven@lemmy.ca
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            3 months ago

            Some vegans feel any animal explotation is wrong, even down to taking the honey the hive created for their colony. Bees are in the animal kingdom, beside plants and fungus category. Also, over harvesting, moving hives to rent out pollinators is creating hive stress and together with nicotine seems to account for a lot of hive collapse/death. We have a growing hive collapse problem, that will end badly for the world if it continues

          • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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            3 months ago

            But aren’t you the one advocating that this is okay? Why do I need a trigger warning for something so deeply and obviously ethical?

            • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              3 months ago

              your deeply biased YouTube video is notoriously traumatizing, with the production house that made it providing aftercare tips. viewers report sleeplessness, nightmares, vomiting, lack of appetite and depression.

              you are acting irresponsibly

            • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              3 months ago

              I don’t have a problem with openheart surgery, but I don’t link videos of it without a tag

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                3 months ago

                I feel like I’m being trolled right now. It’s a documentary which is expressly about the extensive, systemic animal abuse that happens in the industry, and the first instance of that is over 5 minutes in. Did you not expect gore? Is this not like the most fundamentally obvious thing you could possibly expect from such a documentary?

                Edit: oh, comment history tells me that I am being trolled. Interesting. Have a nice day.

                • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  3 months ago

                  I know all about your YouTube video, but unsuspecting people could be triggered, and it is your responsibility to warn others when you endanger them.

                  • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world
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                    3 months ago

                    They’re just filming what you paid for. You should’ve warned the camera crew of the documentary before endangering them.

                • commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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                  3 months ago

                  calling me names doesn’t relieve you of responsibility, nor make anything I’ve said untrue