• commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    4 months ago

    You purchasing the product signals a certain demand for it, that demand will help determine how much product is requested in the future,

    this is not causal. someone decides whether or how much of a product to purchase. they have free will. i am not responsible for their decision.

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      4 months ago

      If you don’t eat chicken nobody is going to swoop in and eat all the chicken you don’t eat. However if a farmer or farming corporation decides to stop harvesting chickens then it’s almost certain some entity will swoop in to replace them in the market. So acting like the consumer here is not one of the if not the most important part in this causal chain is just naive.

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        If you don’t eat chicken nobody is going to swoop in and eat all the chicken you don’t eat. However if a farmer or farming corporation decides to stop harvesting chickens then it’s almost certain some entity will swoop in to replace them in the market.

        why do you tihnk both these sentences are true, and how would you go about trying to disprove either of them?

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      4 months ago

      So while you are eating said chicken, you are thinking “I’m not responsible for what happened to this bird?”

      Is it the same as roadkill to you? Like it just so happened to be dead and nearby?

      How about this: if person A murders person B, and then sells the meat to person C to consume, are both persons A and C responsible for murder or just A? What if person C is in the room when person B is murdered and butchered, does that change the answer? What if person C lives in another country and the meat is shipped to them, any change then?

      I’d ask you to honestly consider that instead of discounting it for replacing animals with humans.

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        4 months ago

        your analogy is disanalagous to how people decide whether to buy meat entirely. even in the first case, though, of course their not responsible. the others, it’s not clear to me whether there is any other actual conspiracy. regardless, no such conspiracy exists in the grocery store.

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          4 months ago

          The point of the the thought experiment is to allow you to view the situations without the biases you already have, as most people have been in a butcher shop which is the first situation I described, and most people have had food delivered to them from far away which is the second situation I described. Since those are normal things, your initial thought would likely be that they are normal and not murder.

          If you replace it with humans, I would argue that both situations would be murder for person C because there is no way they could reasonably assume they could get human meat without a person being killed and it taken from them.

          In other words there is no eating a cooked dead chicken carcass without killing a chicken.

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            4 months ago

            If you replace it with humans, I would argue that both situations would be murder for person C because there is no way they could reasonably assume they could get human meat without a person being killed and it taken from them.

            there was some ambiguity in how you phrased it whether the person buying even knew it was human meat. regardless, they are not responsible for the actions of other people in the past.

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        4 months ago

        Is it the same as roadkill to you? Like it just so happened to be dead and nearby?

        that’s pretty apt, yea.

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            4 months ago

            Would you care much if companies stopped selling meat?

            i doubt it. i have drunk a lot of soylent and huel in my time. i’m open to all kinds of food, i just buy what’s at the corner of Cheap and Convenient