“Let me be very clear: I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment to Israel’s defense and its ability to defend itself, and that’s not going to change,”
vs.
“They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to – you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”
One of those two people is going to be the next President.
Harris believes, rightly, that Israel has the right to defend itself the same as any other country.
The problem is, they haven’t actually been engaging in defense for some time now. That’s the fault with Israel and Bibi, not Harris.
Trump believes Gaza needs to be exterminated fast and would bring the worst Israeli policies here.
Harris is just as much pro genocide as Trump is. Out of one side of their mouth, they talk ceasefire, as they have just completed their 500th military weapons drop to Israel. That’s why Democrats cannot be trusted. We have listened to what they said and then watched what they do.
Absolutely, actions speak louder than words, and both parties have shown their true colors by fueling conflicts while pretending to advocate for peace.
“Let me be very clear: I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment to Israel’s defense and its ability to defend itself, and that’s not going to change,”
Blatant genocide denial. Israels “defending itself” is conducting a genocide. She has “unwavering commitment” to that cause.
Harris believes, rightly, that Israel has the right to defend itself the same as any other country.
Yes, even if their definition of defense is conducting a genocide, she will not oppose them in that cause, she is pro Genocide.
The problem is, they haven’t actually been engaging in defense for some time now. That’s the fault with Israel and Bibi, not Harris.
And she has been supporting them while vowing to keep sending them weapons. That is on Harris, she supports their genocide and will continue aiding them in conducting it. She’s pro Genocide.
Edit:
Trump believes Gaza needs to be exterminated fast
Fast genocide and slow genocide, both are still genocide. Unless you’re arguing that since Israel hasn’t “exterminated them fast” that they haven’t been conducting a genocide…which it sounds like you actually do believe but don’t want to admit to.
It’s not genocide denial. Historically, Israel has been attacked from all sides and the position of the US government, since Israel’s creation, is that they have the right to exist and the right to defend themselves.
The problem is, under the Likud party, in Gaza and other territory, Israel moved from defense to offense. We supply them in good faith and they use those supplies in bad faith.
That is NOT the same thing as “ZOMG! You support genocide!”
If Iran decides to legit attack Israel, they will, and should, defend themselves with our weapons.
The problem is that’s not what they are using them for, and that’s on THEM. Not Harris.
since Israel’s creation, is that they have the right to exist and the right to defend themselves.
You lie that right when you become a genocidal apartheid state. Israel has as much right to exist and defend itself as Nazi Germany did.
The problem is, under the Likud party, in Gaza and other territory, Israel moved from defense to offense. We supply them in good faith and they use those supplies in bad faith.
So we see how they are actively using the weapons for genocide and continue providing them…that’s arming a genocide.
We don’t give them in good faith. We aren’t stupid, we see them doing genocide with the weapons and continue to send them, we are sending the supplies for bad reasons…
Remember the “humanitarian pier” we built that was put up, used to conduct a massacre, and taken down without delivering any aide?..
That is NOT the same thing as “ZOMG! You support genocide!”
What is it if not exactly them supporting genocide? Is there a genocide? Did they stop providing support?
If there is a genocide and they are supporting the ones carrying out the genocide, they are supporting a genocide…so which aspect are you denying?
The problem is that’s not what they are using them for, and that’s on THEM. Not Harris.
You say this like we can’t decide to stop sending them weapons. If they started using the weapons to attack us directly, we would stop arming them and even go to war most likely.
We just don’t deem a genocide as bad enough to warrant stopping aid…
I really don’t see how you can’t understand how gross this defense of genocide is. Just imagine:
It’s not genocide denial. Historically, Germany has been attacked from all sides (WW1) and the position of the US government, since post WW1 Germanys creation, is that they have the right to exist and the right to defend themselves.
The problem is, under the Nazi party, in Aushwitz and other territory, Germany moved from defense to offense. We supply them in good faith and they use those supplies in bad faith.
That is NOT the same thing as “ZOMG! You support genocide!”
If the USSR decides to legit attack Germany, they will, and should, defend themselves with our weapons.
The problem is that’s not what they are using them for, and that’s on THEM. Not FDR…
Every soverign nation has the right to self defense. Where Israel is going astray is the the same way the US went astray following 9/11… attacking and killing the wrong people and committing war crimes.
If Israel was ONLY targeting Hamas, nobody would have a problem with that.
The problem is the people in power in Israel see the Hamas takeover in 2007 as “Well, they’re all Hamas.”
Every soverign nation has the right to self defense. Where Israel is going astray is the the same way the US went astray following 9/11… attacking and killing the wrong people and committing war crimes.
Where Israel is going astray is the fact that they are an apartheid state (and always have been) and are performing a genocide.
As bad as we were after 9/11, we weren’t doing that.
If Israel was ONLY targeting Hamas, nobody would have a problem with that.
Yeah, in an alternate reality where they weren’t committing genocide, nobody would care. We don’t live in that reality, they are performing genocide and we are helping.
Stop trying to pretend they aren’t with hypotheticals.
The problem is the people in power in Israel see the Hamas takeover in 2007 as “Well, they’re all Hamas.”
Yes, they are doing genocide. We should stop them, or at least stop arming and supporting their genocide.
I still genuinely fail to see how this isn’t blatant genocide denial when you are actively trying to justify Israels ongoing genocide and our support for it. Wtf.
Antmz22 may not be “paid,” but they are definitely an actor. The kind that you seem to be very in favor of. So I can see where they may consider you to be as well. Or, at least sympathetic to authoritarian communism propaganda.
If you decide you want to vote for a us political party, PSL is running LaRiva on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to Israel.
PSL has its problems, but I think it’s the best response to this moment in America.
The reality where we aren’t pro fucking genocide we just aren’t pro “throw our democracy away because we aren’t able to stop them from funding Isreal.”
There is no reality where we get to have our cake and eat it too. We either get pro military industrial complex, or pro military industrial complex and the upending of our country.
Not much of a choice. There is no reality where in the handful of months we have left we are somehow able to get everyone to go 3rd party… It absolutely fucking sucks but that’s why we hate money in politics and corporate media so much.
"We must support Hitler because it’s too late to oppose him now, that would actually just hurt us AND the ones he’s genociding so why risk it?’ ~ you in 1941
I personally commend everyone who stood up to the genocidal Nazi regime, no mattter how hopeless it looked. And I feel the same about the US-Israeli genocide regimes.
We’re told over and over that there’s no other choice, that we must accept the status quo or risk everything. But by clinging to the same corrupt system, we ensure that nothing changes.
The real power comes from breaking free of this false dichotomy and demanding a better future.
We won’t get there by continuing to prop up the same broken system. If we don’t start challenging it now, when will we ever?
I definitely agree, and there needs to be a time for this (my best thought is after ranked choice voting) but my point was more about right now.
With just a few months left and with the media ecosystem we have there’s like a 0.000001% chance we get enough people to vote green or whatever 3rd party.
Every election, we’re told the same old story: “Yes, things need to change, but not this time. This election is just too important. Look at what’s on the line!” But I’ve seen this game played out time and again. I’ve been casting my vote since 1988, and every single time, both parties sing the same tune: “Change is needed, but not today, not this time. Not this election.”
I respect your right to vote for whoever you believe in, but for me, I’m done with this duopoly that’s been squeezing the life out of real progress.
I’m done with being bullied into maintaining the status quo. I won’t cast my vote out of fear or because someone says it’s the only way to win.
I’m voting for the party that truly reflects my values, the party that dares to challenge this system, no matter the odds.
If we want to see real change, we have to start with ourselves.
I’m proudly voting third party this year, not because it’s easy, but because it’s necessary.
I’m being the change I want to see. If you believe in Harris, by all means, cast your vote. But as for me, I won’t. My vote is for a future that matches my beliefs, not the fear-driven present that keeps us shackled to a broken system.
I will not vote for a pro-genocide candidate. Thats all that matters.
If you think genocide is a worthy trade off for those things, then you are free to think so. But I don’t. Genocide isn’t negotiable to me.
I don’t care that “at least Mussolini made the trains run on time”.
Harris is not pro-Genocide. Trump is.
“Let me be very clear: I am unequivocal and unwavering in my commitment to Israel’s defense and its ability to defend itself, and that’s not going to change,”
vs.
“They have to get it done. Get it over with and get it over with fast because we have to – you have to get back to normalcy and peace.”
One of those two people is going to be the next President.
Harris believes, rightly, that Israel has the right to defend itself the same as any other country.
The problem is, they haven’t actually been engaging in defense for some time now. That’s the fault with Israel and Bibi, not Harris.
Trump believes Gaza needs to be exterminated fast and would bring the worst Israeli policies here.
Harris is just as much pro genocide as Trump is. Out of one side of their mouth, they talk ceasefire, as they have just completed their 500th military weapons drop to Israel. That’s why Democrats cannot be trusted. We have listened to what they said and then watched what they do.
Absolutely, actions speak louder than words, and both parties have shown their true colors by fueling conflicts while pretending to advocate for peace.
Blatant genocide denial. Israels “defending itself” is conducting a genocide. She has “unwavering commitment” to that cause.
Yes, even if their definition of defense is conducting a genocide, she will not oppose them in that cause, she is pro Genocide.
And she has been supporting them while vowing to keep sending them weapons. That is on Harris, she supports their genocide and will continue aiding them in conducting it. She’s pro Genocide.
Edit:
Fast genocide and slow genocide, both are still genocide. Unless you’re arguing that since Israel hasn’t “exterminated them fast” that they haven’t been conducting a genocide…which it sounds like you actually do believe but don’t want to admit to.
It’s not genocide denial. Historically, Israel has been attacked from all sides and the position of the US government, since Israel’s creation, is that they have the right to exist and the right to defend themselves.
The problem is, under the Likud party, in Gaza and other territory, Israel moved from defense to offense. We supply them in good faith and they use those supplies in bad faith.
That is NOT the same thing as “ZOMG! You support genocide!”
If Iran decides to legit attack Israel, they will, and should, defend themselves with our weapons.
The problem is that’s not what they are using them for, and that’s on THEM. Not Harris.
You lie that right when you become a genocidal apartheid state. Israel has as much right to exist and defend itself as Nazi Germany did.
So we see how they are actively using the weapons for genocide and continue providing them…that’s arming a genocide.
We don’t give them in good faith. We aren’t stupid, we see them doing genocide with the weapons and continue to send them, we are sending the supplies for bad reasons…
Remember the “humanitarian pier” we built that was put up, used to conduct a massacre, and taken down without delivering any aide?..
What is it if not exactly them supporting genocide? Is there a genocide? Did they stop providing support?
If there is a genocide and they are supporting the ones carrying out the genocide, they are supporting a genocide…so which aspect are you denying?
You say this like we can’t decide to stop sending them weapons. If they started using the weapons to attack us directly, we would stop arming them and even go to war most likely.
We just don’t deem a genocide as bad enough to warrant stopping aid…
I really don’t see how you can’t understand how gross this defense of genocide is. Just imagine:
Every soverign nation has the right to self defense. Where Israel is going astray is the the same way the US went astray following 9/11… attacking and killing the wrong people and committing war crimes.
If Israel was ONLY targeting Hamas, nobody would have a problem with that.
The problem is the people in power in Israel see the Hamas takeover in 2007 as “Well, they’re all Hamas.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111
Where Israel is going astray is the fact that they are an apartheid state (and always have been) and are performing a genocide.
As bad as we were after 9/11, we weren’t doing that.
Yeah, in an alternate reality where they weren’t committing genocide, nobody would care. We don’t live in that reality, they are performing genocide and we are helping.
Stop trying to pretend they aren’t with hypotheticals.
Yes, they are doing genocide. We should stop them, or at least stop arming and supporting their genocide.
I still genuinely fail to see how this isn’t blatant genocide denial when you are actively trying to justify Israels ongoing genocide and our support for it. Wtf.
Who are you voting for, then?
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Antmz22 may not be “paid,” but they are definitely an actor. The kind that you seem to be very in favor of. So I can see where they may consider you to be as well. Or, at least sympathetic to authoritarian communism propaganda.
Like when I removed comments and banned a user for doubling down on “China owns Taiwan” propaganda?
You have no problem allowing people to deny genocide. 🤷♂️
Probably Mohammed Deif tbh.
It would be about as helpful as voting for anyone else.
I’m not sure who they are.
Are they qualified to be a US president?
He is the head of the Al-Qassam brigades…the front line fighting against Israels genocide…
He’s more qualified than the others. He fights genocide, the very same genocide both candidates with a chance support.
You have to be 35 years old, a natural born citizen and lived in US for at least fourteen years so he fits all of those?
Hes old.
I don’t really care about any of that though. It’s not like he’d win lol.
The point is that anyone who is anti-Genocide is more worthy of a vote than anyone who is pro-Genocide.
So who would you vote for?
I’ve already told you.
I’m sorry people are being assholes to you.
If you decide you want to vote for a us political party, PSL is running LaRiva on a platform of Palestinian statehood and an end to arms shipments to Israel.
PSL has its problems, but I think it’s the best response to this moment in America.
“I care about Palestinians so much that I’m willing to sacrifice their future well being for my poorly formed but intractable political ideals.”
Ok.
Are you denying the ongoing genocide that Kamala Harris and the Democrats are supporting and vowing to continue supporting?
A vote for Kamala is a vote for Genocide of Palestinians.
K.
200+ comments, account is less than a week old. Lol
Aug 14 -Aug 31 is not less than a week lmfao.
Literally what sort of alternative reality do all you pro Genocide ghouls live in?
The reality where we aren’t pro fucking genocide we just aren’t pro “throw our democracy away because we aren’t able to stop them from funding Isreal.”
There is no reality where we get to have our cake and eat it too. We either get pro military industrial complex, or pro military industrial complex and the upending of our country.
Not much of a choice. There is no reality where in the handful of months we have left we are somehow able to get everyone to go 3rd party… It absolutely fucking sucks but that’s why we hate money in politics and corporate media so much.
"We must support Hitler because it’s too late to oppose him now, that would actually just hurt us AND the ones he’s genociding so why risk it?’ ~ you in 1941
I personally commend everyone who stood up to the genocidal Nazi regime, no mattter how hopeless it looked. And I feel the same about the US-Israeli genocide regimes.
He’s a disorder troll, just stop engaging.
We’re told over and over that there’s no other choice, that we must accept the status quo or risk everything. But by clinging to the same corrupt system, we ensure that nothing changes.
The real power comes from breaking free of this false dichotomy and demanding a better future.
We won’t get there by continuing to prop up the same broken system. If we don’t start challenging it now, when will we ever?
I definitely agree, and there needs to be a time for this (my best thought is after ranked choice voting) but my point was more about right now.
With just a few months left and with the media ecosystem we have there’s like a 0.000001% chance we get enough people to vote green or whatever 3rd party.
And my point is that it’s always about right now.
Every election, we’re told the same old story: “Yes, things need to change, but not this time. This election is just too important. Look at what’s on the line!” But I’ve seen this game played out time and again. I’ve been casting my vote since 1988, and every single time, both parties sing the same tune: “Change is needed, but not today, not this time. Not this election.”
I respect your right to vote for whoever you believe in, but for me, I’m done with this duopoly that’s been squeezing the life out of real progress.
I’m done with being bullied into maintaining the status quo. I won’t cast my vote out of fear or because someone says it’s the only way to win.
I’m voting for the party that truly reflects my values, the party that dares to challenge this system, no matter the odds.
If we want to see real change, we have to start with ourselves.
I’m proudly voting third party this year, not because it’s easy, but because it’s necessary.
I’m being the change I want to see. If you believe in Harris, by all means, cast your vote. But as for me, I won’t. My vote is for a future that matches my beliefs, not the fear-driven present that keeps us shackled to a broken system.
You will however allow the most pro genocide voter to decide the election for you.
Good for you.
Do you deny that there is currently a genocide carried out by Israel?
Do you deny that Kamala has vowed to continue supporting Israel?
If not, then a vote for Kamala is a vote for genocide and by voting for her I would become one of those “pro-genocide voter”.
No I don’t. I recognize reality and refuse to allow the most genocidal candidate to win.
How about you? Do you just accuse people on the internet of stupid shit, desperate to make enemies…
Or do you try to build a coalition to prevent the most genocidal candidate from winning?
Sounds like you just talk shit…