• ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world
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    20 days ago

    It could just as easily be framed that women are raised and socialized to have unrealistic expectations for a partner.

    • PugJesus@lemmy.worldOP
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      20 days ago

      I’ve seen guys who had no business even being in human society getting dates. Not sure “Women expect too much of men” is the issue here.

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        19 days ago

        Women do most of the raising of children. Is it more likely that women raise their boys in a way they know will make them undesirable as an adult, or is it more likely that they push their daughters to do better and unintentionally raise their standards too high?

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          19 days ago

          Standards of toxic masculinity are very often upheld by women as much as men. Growing up, one is told “Boys don’t cry” by mothers as well as fathers, and then mothers wonder why their husbands are emotionally closed off.

          Society is broken. Less broken than it used to be, maybe, but still broken.

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      20 days ago

      I once asked my male partner to wipe down the bathroom counter because my grandparents were coming over. He did a bad job. I got upset about it. He said my expectations were too high. He had left a dead bug on the counter.

      We absolutely do not have too high of expectations.

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        He did a bad job.

        Sounds like his parents did a bad job at raising him.

        You should probably align with him on what “clean” means. It probably means “cleaner” to him, whereas you meant “nigh impeccable” - your definition isn’t bad; there’s just a mismatch between both your understanding.

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          ….theres a dead bug on the counter and you call this nigh impeccable?

          I’m never eating dinner at your house

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            No, I called her standard nigh impeccable, which should be the default. Having a dead bug is not “nigh impeccable”.

            Which part of my previous comment caused the confusion? Because now I’m confused on why people misunderstand my comment.

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      I remember someone writing that the bar for men to be “good men” is in hell. That always stuck with me.