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- 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone
This post was getting attention.
Then this exchange by the mod
I tried to post and well well well, post was locked. https://lemmy.world/modlog
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Question from those who would like to see other Fediverse content on Lemmy - anyone know how to?
As in I’d much rather read actual mastodon/bluesky posts than screenshots of mastodon/bluesky posts uploaded to Lemmy.
Lemmy does not support personal microblogging. If you want to have both in the same interface you need to sign up on a Mbin or Friendica instance.
Idiots. I mean it’s true, this is kind of advertising… But for the Fediverse! And we kind of like the Fediverse here. Especially in the community called “Fediverse”…
I can see how you’d make this mistake though. If your horizon is just Lemmy and you don’t know anything about the broader ecosystem we’re in, this post might look a bit off.
Commercial spam seems unlikely, but it’s certainly low quality content. We already know federation works, this is the equivalent of the “this is Bob, copy and paste Bob to all your friends’ profiles” comment from the 2000s.
All the links are directed to social.heise.de, so it’s definitely got spammy characteristics imo, even if it’s not commercial spam. While awareness raising about federation functionality is probably fine, it’s also presumably meant to direct traffic to that specific instance, which is arguably a form of advertising.
That’s just how Mastodon tags work, they get turned into HTML
<a>tag with thehrefpointing to the local instance’s view of that tag. Lemmy then turns that HTML into markdown, hence all the links to poster’s instance.Sure, but the end result is the same - i.e., it looks spammy even if unintended.
Why are there so many hashtags on a lemmy post? It’s definitely spam, and you asking how to commercialise it makes it commercial spam, so it all checks out.
YDI
It wasn’t a Lemmy post originally. It’s a post from mastodon that - thanks to actvitypub - has reached Lemmy.
So basically exactly what the fediverse was designed to do .
It’s intention was to test interoperability and reach between Mastodon and other fediverse implementations.
Asking for commercialisation strategies was definitely done tongue in cheek, because the mod suggested it was commercial in a rude manner.
Pretty sure they were being facetious with that comment.
I can see no evidence to suggest it was anything other than sincere.
Edit: Legitimately, can someone point out what part of that was supposed to be anything but an honest discussion? I’m seeing downvotes, but no rebuttals.
The mod accused OP about commercialising it in the first comment by mentioning de advertisers.
OP then asked how would that post be something commercial even, and to please explain because they cant even fanthom how their post could be interpreted as something oriented to advertisers.
Mod gets pissed and locks the thread.
OP was never trying to commercialize the post. This is my interpretation.
First off, the first comment is only the first comment we can see. There are four comments worth of context we have not been provided with.
Second, he wasn’t asking how it was commercial, he was asking how he could commercialise it. He was trying to spread the post as much as possible, and has an analytics tool to track it. Puts me in mind of market research.
Third, that still doesn’t explain how it’s facetious. What he said about being commercial was said in the same tone as the things that were self-evident. Just claiming it’s facetious is like saying “haha, jk.” Why should I believe it wasn’t serious?
This came across, to me at least, like a genuine attempt to test the advertising reach of the fediverse. He failed to convince the mod otherwise, and the mod was right to shut that down.
The talk of commercialisation was a joke about how making money would help justify something he is doing out of interest and goodwill towards Mastodon in his spare time. You need to look at the context.
I think we should break Susaga’s favorite lamps just to be sure.
Whoa, what does any of this have to do with my lamps?!
You know what you did.
Was it indeed commercial?
Was it indeed commercial?
heise.de is a commercial platform and that post was made by heise’s head writer.
I don’t think so. I mean you can read the post in the screenshot yourself. It doesn’t link to anything (except the image) and doesn’t promote anything except the Fediverse. The hashtags are a bit excessive for Lemmy standards. And heise is a German computer magazine publishing company. So the author writes articles for a living. But I believe they said in the comments, the post was done in their own time. And I don’t think anyone except the moderator took offense… The post got like 300 upvotes.
The post got like 300 upvotes.
Not by Lemmy users. Likes/favs federate from microblogging platforms like Mastodon to Lemmy as upvotes but Mastodon doesn’t care about Lemmy’s downvotes. On LW the post had a significantly lower score than on Mastodon, meaning the upvotes are the aggregate of all ActivityPub platforms (of which Mastodon is by far the biggest) while the downvotes are almost exclusively from Lemmy.
Let me give you an example: A Mastodon user has 10k followers. That user publishes a low quality post that only a tenth of those users like. That post tags a Lemmy community with 100 users. Those 100 Lemmy community members can downvote as much as they like, the 1000 Mastodon followers outmatch them.
So no, the “score” is not a metric for popularity by Lemmy users.
Nevermind, I pulled out the numbers:
Upvotes:
- lemmy.world: 93
- shit.just.works: 23
- lemm.ee: 22
- feddit.org: 18
- lemmy.dbzer0.com: 16
- discuss.tchncs.de: 13
- lemmy.blajah.zone: 13
- lemmy.ml: 11
- lemmy.ca: 9
- sopuli.xyz: 7
- programming.dev: 7
- midwest.social: 6
- feddit.nl: 6
- lemmy.zip: 6
- jlai.lu: 6
- infosec.pub: 4
- slrpnk.net: 4
- aussie.zone: 3
- lemmynsfw.com: 3
- lemmy.sdf.org: 3
- feddit.it: 3
- feddit.nu: 3
- feddit.uk: 3
- ani.social: 2
- other lemmy: 18
I also have 4 votes from other software in my database. And 21 Lemmy downvotes plus one from mbin.
Now tell me, how doesn’t that add up to exactly 302 upvotes from Lemmy? And that’s just the ones that made it to my instance… Do you believe me now? Or is there something I’m not aware of?
Nice effort
Do you believe me now?
OK, I believe you that a low effort post to promote commercial media outlet heise baited enough people to hit the upvote button. As I wrote in another comment: If another of the mods over there thinks that my decision was wrong, I will not stand in the way when they restore that post. That said, so far nobody of them said anything to me regarding that.
I gave the author plenty of time to explain why that post isn’t commercial promotion. I didn’t remove it right away. He wasn’t convincing and at some point demanded I consult him. People interested in that post can still look it up on Mastodon. It’s not like it’s actually gone or anything.
Well I don’t know that guy. But seems to me he is a tech journalist. And as such probably dabbling with all kinds of things and curious. And heise frequently reports on Free and Open Source Software and the Fediverse. So naturally, they’re taking part in it. Or they’d be bad journalists. I also read your interaction. He wasn’t demaning you consult him. He was super snarky.
Yeah, I think you’re wrong. There wasn’t any advertising or links in that post. Just what Mastodon adds to a post and a picture. And naturally those link to a user’s home instance. It’s the same with your profile. That’s also on a certain instance and has that domain name everywhere. Still that’s not an ad for lemmy.world.
I think it’s bad publicity for us. We have too much drama here, and it shows. I suppose Mastodon isn’t perfect either… I don’t really know, I do not use it.
I’d have left that post stay up. It’s nice to celebrate the Fediverse. And despite possible shortcomings of that post, I do not see any ill intent. And linking to heise isn’t unheard of… In fact we link to their articles every other day in the German speaking part of the Lemmyverse…
But I’m not a moderator. It’s your decision what to make of this, not mine. I mainly wanted to make sure we agree on the facts. And seems we mostly do.
Edit: And I think this call to upvote the post is a misunderstanding. Boosts, Upvotes and likes work differently on Mastodon and Lemmy, as far as I know. I think that wasn’t meant as a call to do the Lemmy upvote thing. But to press that button on Mastodon that makes that post spread to your friends. I believe this is a misunderstanding between you and that person, due to the terminology.
I also think that post looked off, especially with all the hashtags. But honestly, most Mastodon posts look off to me. And they also speak in a different tone over there. At least that’s my experience.
And naturally those link to a user’s home instance.
But it’s not his personal home instance. It’s his corporate home instance. He wrote that he used his corporate account because it has wider reach but it really is just a free time hobby thingie, pinkie swear. Sure, he could have published the post from his actual private account and then just boosted it from his corporate one but then that fine promotional domain name of his employer wouldn’t be visible to everyone.
My personal conviction still is that I made the right call but as I also have said: If one of the other mods disagrees, they can just restore that post and there will be not a single letter of complaint by me. There are 5 mods overall.
And linking to heise isn’t unheard of… In fact we link to their articles every other day in the German speaking part of the Lemmyverse…
And when there’s an actual Fedi-related article to link to and not just a low effort assortments of hashtags with a cartoon rocket, I’m happy to leave it up.
This post from a day before is much better: https://lemmy.world/post/24151008 Still those hashtags but at least actual content by posting a tutorial.
There are 5 mods overall.
Ruud is the main admin and has bigger fish to try. Xylinna hasn’t been active in a year. MrCenny hasn’t been active in 8 months.
Idk. I’ve also used company email or storage to do one-off private stuff. If allowed. It gets yet more complicated once you’re a freelancer. Or do social media stuff or programming and it’s both your hobby and your job. I can somehow relate to that. We don’t know that person’s exact situation and reasoning. All we can do here is speculate and either give them the benefit of the doubt, or not.
And ultimately I think companies have a right to exist, too. I like that they write articles for me to read. I invite journalists over to have a look at the nice projects I’m doing. I don’t see a big issue with that. Of course they’re very different from me. All their professional life revolves around reach, publicity and attention. That’s probably some big category in their thinking and less so in mine.
Yeah, the post wasn’t particularly great quality. More an experiment. I mean the atmosphere in the comments was good. I’ve seen worse.
Idk. Let’s stop talking about this. It’s getting late here and I think we could go on forever about some details. Things happen and I think not everything is worth writing a novel about. And ultimately none of that is my call. I wish you the best.
Would you like the numbers, or just make some numbers up and/or just stay with your opinion? Because what you said just isn’t true. I can look it up if you like. At least the votes that got federated to my instance. If you look at my username, I’m not from LW. And hence I wasn’t speaking about the aggregate numbers of LW.
I was on the go so didn’t have time to read in details.
@woelkchen@lemmy.world , seems like the consensus here is that the commercial aspect was a poorly communicated joke, would you like to revisit this decision?
would you like to revisit this decision?
There are other mods in that community. If anyone of them comes to a different conclusion, I’m not going to fight it. I still think it’s a post made from that commercial domain explicitly to promote that outlet. The employee gave no counter arguments other than what boils down to ‘trust me bro’. Him ignoring the fact that I brought up that his analytics tool doesn’t even measure Lemmy votes, just Mastodon-style boosts (which Lemmy doesn’t even have), didn’t really made him look any better from my POV. Neither did his later snarky comment.
Again: If one of the other mods over there wants to reverse my decision, I’m absolutely fine with it.
Sounds fair.
@TragicNotCute@lemmy.world and @Rooki@lemmy.world , any opinion on this?
Not entirely true - coming from a LW account, it did not make it to Beehaw (although this post did, coming from slrpnk.net and going to lemmy.dbzer0.com).
