Today I noticed a huge wall of spam from UniversalMonk from 2 different accounts and didn’t initially think much of it and blocked their communities but more spam came from different communities.
At this point I checked and saw that they had created several communities which then led me down the rabbit hole to discover that their posts had almost entirely covered the new posts page of both sh.itjust.works and lemm.ee. Later on I discovered that they’re posting right-wing propaganda and misinformation from breitbart, foxnews you name it.
He’s already caused and stirred shit 2 months ago and clearly I can see why now.
At this point it’s difficult to believe that UniversalMonk will learn proper netiquette in: not post spamming, being considerate to others, and not sharing right-wing extremist content that no one wants.
So u want to silence someone for their beliefs. Let em speak and if u dont like it block em and downvote them.
Free speach does not mean u have a right to not be offended.
Speach lmao
Sure, I’ll take the bait. It’s not at all an issue of his beliefs. Plenty of people on Lemmy think that we should vote for third parties, plenty of people on Lemmy think that… I don’t know, I blocked UM so long ago that I can’t even really remember what his beliefs were. I think he thought Biden was doing a bad job. I don’t think that is some weird heretic belief on Lemmy that will get you banned. Nothing he had to say was ever the issue.
If every time someone gets on the bus, they sit down next to random other passengers and start pestering them about Jesus, loudly and without fail, no matter how much the person clearly doesn’t want it, and then when multiple people tell them to stop, they start crying about religious discrimination, yell at the whole bus, say they won’t be silenced, show up the next day with a whole backpack full of pamphlets about the first amendment, concoct elaborate disguises to be able to sneak back on the bus once one bus driver finally has had enough and bans them, all the while setting up this incredibly loud consistent whining sound about how they’re being persecuted because of their Christianity, it was never about the Christianity.
You can be Christian on the bus. You can also be Jewish or Muslim. You can wear a headscarf, you can talk to your friends about Jesus, together on the bus. Likewise, you can be anti-Biden, or pro-Biden, or pro-socialist, or whatever you want to be, on Lemmy. When you become so incredibly obnoxious about your style of interaction that the entire community has agreed that you’re causing a problem, and then instead of being open to feedback and continuing to say what you think, but in a fashion that is productive and respectful of everyone else, you instead double down and say you won’t be silenced and send threatening DMs to your critics and start making a whole bunch of new accounts when you are banned from multiple places, it is time for you to go. Because you had your opportunity to tone it down and integrate within the social contract that makes the place function, and you explicitly and proudly chose not to.
Well said, and great example.
Great example but flawed. There are no block buttons in real life their are on lemmy.
I kept putting my headphones in, and then I turned them up until I couldn’t hear the person that was next to me talking about Jesus. Means it’s fixed, right? We just need to get every new person that gets on the bus to make sure they know they might need to put on their headphones.
Well most intelligent people already know that.
Very astute response!
Ok so what is the issue cos op hasnt seemed to have addressed it.
I like ur metaphor it presents a very visceral image of a particular behaviour. Ur forgetting just 1 things lemmy has that a bus doesnt a magic button to make them disapear (the block button). Also nothing wrong with talking to anyone u want about anything u want thats how free speach works.
U can also talk to anyone else u please about anything on this list or not on this list, it doesnt havr to be your friends.
Free speach requires that u allow people to be obnoxious, as long as ur not calling for actionable violence i say let em speak.
Why should anyone be forced to change how they choose to express their beliefs. What if everyone in a neighbourhood decided that rainbow flags where obnoxious, that does not grant them the right to deny the gays there right to express their beliefs however the fuck they want. (So long as its not violent or callibg for actionable violence etc etc).
If this is true which it quite probably could be then op should have started with this. Ill be in full support of instance bans if i can be shown verifyable proof this is true.
Thats how an open platform works good luck stopping it. Ie the technology of Activpub has made the capability to deny any individual their free speach impossible.
I hate the concept of the social contract. I was forced to sign it under duress (i didnt concent to being born etc etc). The politicians, the billionares, the dictators of the world, the thieves stealing food to survive, etc etc etc they have not integrated within the social contract. If there is no enforcement then why follow the rules?
I believe in a far simpler system that perfectly describes every system far better than the social contract. Darwinian evolution. Given that i would say its pretty arrogant to assert that following the social contract 100% of the time is always the most advantagious.
Talk to the lemmy.world admins, they’re the ones who know the details.
https://lemmy.world/modlog?page=1&userId=9454261 and search for “harassing”.
Ive found 2 cases mentioning private messages. I would love to see what was actuality said. Ik pms arent secure are they federated only between relevent instances?
Mods from lemmy.world and lemmy.ca have been in these comments saying that yes, it happened and was a TOS violation.
You’re free not to believe them. I don’t think asking them to expose someone else’s private DMs to you to prove it to you is realistic.
Which ones and can i get comment links?
I dont trust anything i verify
I think its pretry sus if ur willing to claim someone has sent abusive messages but not reveal what said abusive messages where. Thats a bit like claiming u have proof of someone stealing your car but will not be providing said proof as u just have to “trust me bro”
https://lemmy.world/comment/14444086
https://lemmy.ca/comment/13865167
What part of “not publishing other people’s private communications” doesn’t make sense?
This is, in fact, exactly the same way stolen cars work. Someone steals your car, you get the police report, you show it to the insurance company. If you don’t have a police report, then they definitely will have questions.
https://ponder.cat/comment/1480007
That’s the police report. The insurance company doesn’t say, “Well, I won’t know it was stolen until I see it for myself. Yes, I know you explained there’s a specific reason you can’t show it to me, but I just don’t trust anything, I verify. The report from the person who investigated it using the extra abilities of their position, and then wrote formally that yes, it was stolen, isn’t good enough.”
Right to speech != Obligation to listen.
Yeah so block them. Right not to listen != right to stop everyone else from listening.
Right to free speech doesnt mean every other server needs to accept his content.
Allowing people to spout whatever nonsense and cause harm to others is reckless at best, ignorant and insane at worst. I’m old but not old enough to have dementia.
The argument of free speech so hollow, I’ve seen it used by right-wingers as a rallying cry when in reality free speech is free yes but simutaneously it does not mean free of consequences.
He’s in violation of our TOS and probably several others which reminds me @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone you’ll want to see the last image with dumbass Zuck at the top
What words has he said that are cuasing harm. Because if it isnt calling for actionable violence then it isnt causing harm.
I didnt realise free speach was a right wing idea. I though free speach was a basic liberty of free independent people.
Free to say as he pleases and get downvoted, judged, resonded to negatively.
What tos violations has he made? Im gonna assume innocent until proven guilty.
Dude is a clown but so is OP demanding somebody he doesn’t like to be banned lol
So tldr one clown wants another clown banned for being a clown thus making themselves a clown?
A lot of statists on here…
Don’t pretend to be surprised, this is Lemmy we’re talking about. It’s how they roll! Inclusion through exclusion or something.
Im not suprised i just believe we can help lemmy change to be more inclusive of all opinions. Makibg a truly open and free (as in freedom) network of communication.
Thats where you continually fail to understand. This issue is about behavior, not opinions.
Thats right for some of the reasons op gave
But op is trying to use the fact he posts right-wing content as a reason to get him banned.
I think its safe to say people are mostly concerned with extremist content. The poster qualified it with “right wing” simply because the right wing is exhibits more extremist tendencies. You picked out those qualifiers on purpose to shore up your argument .
True