Today I noticed a huge wall of spam from UniversalMonk from 2 different accounts and didn’t initially think much of it and blocked their communities but more spam came from different communities.
At this point I checked and saw that they had created several communities which then led me down the rabbit hole to discover that their posts had almost entirely covered the new posts page of both sh.itjust.works and lemm.ee. Later on I discovered that they’re posting right-wing propaganda and misinformation from breitbart, foxnews you name it.
He’s already caused and stirred shit 2 months ago and clearly I can see why now.
At this point it’s difficult to believe that UniversalMonk will learn proper netiquette in: not post spamming, being considerate to others, and not sharing right-wing extremist content that no one wants.
oh, that tard’s still around? I blocked him months ago.
I can affirm my experience has been all the better for it, so yes, the rest of the fediverse should throw the Nazi out of the bar.
Here’s the thing: without this thread, I might never have become aware of this user or their activities. Are you sure that what you’re doing isn’t counterproductive and giving them more undeserved attention?
Barbra Who???
I can see what you mean by that although for this case in an odd manner you actually want to highlight this problem.
This is another parallel system that was shown in this crazy GDC talk: 1,500 Slot Machines Walk into a Bar: Adventures in Quantity Over Quality
For background context Alex Schwartz and Ziba Scott launched premium mobile games to the Google Play Store in 2013 which unfortunately didn’t “help in making our money back and being able to make enough money to make the next game”. After having explored the storefront and finding nefarious apps and junk reskined clones everywhere they decided to intentionally flood the Google Play Store with junk slot machine games as a joke/experiment.
"There was a point in here that I don’t think was drilled home as hard as it could have been which was… if people are sneaking by with garbage the thing that we did was to put a huge neon sign with an arrow pointing at ourselves and the garbage next to us; illuminating the entire underbelly of dark weird App Store shit and so the idea that if you do it at scale clearly they’re(Google’s) going to notice and clearly they’re(Google’s) going to change the terms of service slowly to ice you out.
Hopefully others went down with us in the wake of that. Like we provided the perfect targeted spot to drop the missile uh so hopefully, hopefully that helped get rid of duplicate apps that were also in the area."
I agree with you. In this case it’s time to bring this up. I quietly blocked monk months ago because I was tired of seeing his shit in my feed, but I didn’t want to bring attention to his inflammatory posts. But that clearly hasn’t worked on a wider level. He’s still posting sketchy stuff and annoying other people here. Sometimes you have to call people out and the wider community has to act, even at the risk of drawing attention to the problem users.
I’ve come across him before, I think he moderates a right wing Lemmy community I’m a member of.
That mf is still around? And now they’re spamming right wing nazi stuff, despite definitely for sure being a legitimate honest 3rd party Jill Stein Stan? My gosh, say it isn’t so!
There is nothing for them to learn about “netiquette”, they are a cancerous wart intentionally participating in bad faith with the entire fediverse.
And now they’re spamming right wing nazi stuff, despite definitely for sure being a legitimate honest 3rd party Jill Stein Stan
I fucking knew it, I commented once that he was a secret MAGAt supporter spreading FUD and bLuEMagA crap. Looks like the mask fell and guess I was right lol
oh I always knew it- maybe a week or two after they started spamming, I caught them posting 3 or 4 times in the /c/conservative comm with some VERY overtly racist articles. They did a great job ignoring me when I started calling them out on it though, very strange.
Edit: Here it was, they spammed a bunch of stuff, including that one particular article in the middle about Oregon’s housing assistance program being only for illegal immigrants (an outright lie that only existed for racist purposes):
They’re such fucking cowards.
It seems like every other day they are posting from a new instance.
Because they keep getting banned
I think UniversalMonk was a supporter of the PSL and claimed to have voted for Claudia De la Cruz.
You know, the woman who is FURIOUS that the US isn’t doing more to support Israel’s war in Gaza, and promised to rectify it and really give them the green light and finally get them all the weapons they need, if she won the presidency.(Edit: I was wrong about this. De la Cruz, as far as I can tell, opposes Israeli genocide and US support for it and supports Palestinian liberation.)
Like I say it blows my mind that he is still allowed anywhere on Lemmy. Not at all because I don’t think someone should be able to support the PSL, but because he is clearly lying for malicious reasons when he says that, among many other things.
When has Claudia De LA Cruz ever said that? As far as I know the PSL has been one of the main organizers for pro-palestinian protests in the US especially where I live along with the Palestinian youth movement. Claudia and her running partner usually at said protests. She is literally on canary mission a site used to try and silence anti-zionists. I know nothing about the person you and OP are talking about, but it seems you are just making stuff up about Claudia. If anything other than Jill Stein she was the ONLY pro-palestinian candidate(to my knowledge).
I think you are completely correct. What was I thinking of? I was sure that UM was supportive of some politician who was rabidly pro-Israel, but I thought he said he was voting for De la Cruz. You definitely seem to be right about De la Cruz being pro-Palestinian, though.
Everyone wanted to know how it would go for the “I just want people to support a 3rd party” folks after the election… Well, now you know!
Apologies I don’t really understand what you mean by that
I’m guessing this is a referral to the US election?
He was banned on lemmy.world for excessive Jill Stiein/3rd party spam prior to the election and the discussion at the time was “What will they do after the election?” Well, now you know. Right Wing all along.
ahh I see
Thank you for the clarification👍
I wouldn’t care so much if he wasn’t such a bitch about it. You want to post that stuff than own up and admit it. Fucking cryptofascist.
Eh, I just had a run-in with them again.
Trying to get every instance to ban them is a little crazy tbh, and I think you’re right that their entire goal is a blend of trolling and misinformation.
It isn’t crazy because they’re acting in bad faith. It’s crazy because just lemmy is already too big to try and organize a lemmy wide ban. Trying to get a fediverse wide one applied ain’t happening.
Best you can do is report them for the spamming in the instances they do it on.
Best you can do is report them for the spamming in the instances they do it on.
I’ve made a separate comment here that explains why this might not work as they are the moderator for the communities that they created.
Reports don’t just go to mods, they go to admins as well. And you can usually contact admins in other ways on most instances.
Reports don’t just go to mods, they go to admins as well.
You’re not wrong. Again however if the mod dismisses the report, the admin(s) would be unaware of the report unless they check the All tab. On P.D. anyways the report queue defaults to Unread, not sure if that can be changed on the newer instance versions.
And you can usually contact admins in other ways on most instances.
Again true, however [a user who’s already made a report] is it highly likely that they’d message the admins for an update? maybe?
It’s a non-zero possibility, but for my own report experience I actually just send a report and forget about it (unless I’m personally looking and pondering the reports queued on P.D’s report page, earlier last year I tried to send messages to users who made reports saying thank yous or updates on what happened to their reports).
For any users here please comment if you’ve asked for an update I’m actually genuinely curious what the frequency is.
Edit:
Ah right I just remembered that I wanted to request for a feature that community moderators can’t dismiss the report that’s made about them. This is the same copyright loophole system that exists in Youtube.“The claimant gets to review the dispute, the guy who wants to have my song; he gets to decide if he actually owns my song.”
This is the same contradictory system in a slightly different manner:
The defendant gets to review the dispute, the guy who’s been reported; they get to decide whether to accept or reject the report.I noticed this paradox earlier last year when I made some terrible posts and asked the P.D. team to review the reports made on me as I didn’t want to fall into this trap.
It blows my mind that the admins of UniversalMonk-affected servers don’t just ban him on sight.
Guys: You’re being too nice. I get it, you want to be inclusive. But you have to draw lines. Someone doesn’t have to be telling racist jokes or something, in order to be clearly and unapologetically a net negative to the community in every possible sense. And, showing them firmly to the door doesn’t have to be a complex or “objective” process when that happens.
Nah, this whole trend to censor anything and everything that isn’t exactly what you want to see is worse for the community.
I say leave him alone. I don’t have him blocked. I don’t ever see his content unless I actually do search to see what he’s been up to (spoiler: he was a far right nutbag all along the end). Even IF he is spamming articles, that behaviour can be modded by communities he isn’t modding for, and those he is modding for can be blocked. Hell if he pisses you off specifically you can block him yourself already! This isn’t a community needs to step in issue.
just like I said the other day.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14424566
in a year Lemmy will be a cesspool of extremist thoughts and opinions. left, right, doesn’t matter.
the average Lemmy user is become far more caustic towards any differing opinions and that directly increases the toxicity of the platform.
this is why mods are trying to be pedantic about the rules in communities, but unfortunately they’re only accelerating it.
they’re removing all the content under “incivility” that calls out or questions bullshit yet leaving toxic misinformation up because it breaks “no rules”.
Yeah man I feel like I’m taking crazy pills, I literally haven’t seen a single thing this dude has posted in months and all these people chiming in like he’s flooding their feeds. Like why the fuck are they subscribed to his communities in the first place???
Like why the fuck are they subscribed to his communities in the first place???
They browse the All feed.
For additional context on the previous ban on LW: https://lemmy.world/post/21115183
How many of this comment do I need to respond to?
You guys aren’t even trying to make it make sense. Moderators blocked him, so he made new communities of his own. Then people blocked him and instances banned him, so he made new accounts. Now he’s showing up again for people who have taken the steps you describe. He is actively evading people’s attempts to not have to listen to him. He talks about how proud he is of himself for doing it.
How many of this comment do I need to respond to?
As many as it takes to get you to understand censorship is a worse means. UM can ‘evade’ all he wants but he can’t take away your unsubscribe and block buttons. Did you know they aren’t single use? Amazing!
And Amoxtli@thelemmy.club too while we’re at it
Agreed.
“I’m from Texas! NATO is the absolute worst! Zelensky is corrupt! I’m from Texas! Trump is okay, I don’t see what the big deal is. I’m a socialist!”
Based on real events.
Seems like he does get banned frequently by mods, given he has like 10 accounts created on a number of servers in the past few months
Based on the number of dislikes I have to imagine that someone out there might have made reports which were probably and unfortunately ‘handled/managed’ by UniversalMonk as that’s how the current moderation system works:
Currently [as of Jan 12, 2025]
If a report is sent, both the community moderator(s) and admin(s) are able to see and handle the report.- This has the unfortunate side effect where if the moderator has no qualms and dismisses the report it can become unlikely that anyone would know what’s going on.
The user who made the report might then unfortunately think that the admin(s) are condoning the post/content that’s shared on their platform which might not actually be the case.
At this point I’m just going to ask that: if anyone has any posts or comments that they’d like to report, please feel free to also shoot me a Direct Message (DM). I’m going to preempt and say that while I can’t promise that I’ll respond immediately, I can at least guarantee that I’ll reply back saying that I have seen your message.
I had actually forgotten about that guy. I blocked him a few months ago because I got tired of his incessant and biased spam.
Forgot about that guy. They have the honor of being my first ever block.
How long have you been here? a day without a block is a day I probably wasn’t online for long.
I’ve never blocked anyone.
Yeah me neither.
while there’s plenty of people on my list too I’d say the majority are just foreign language communities.
Blocking shit you don’t want to interact with is significantly easier than finding stuff you do, and makes the internet a much nicer place.
I like the internet to be a chaotic place.
it can be chaotic without being upsetting
So u want to silence someone for their beliefs. Let em speak and if u dont like it block em and downvote them.
Free speach does not mean u have a right to not be offended.
Right to speech != Obligation to listen.
Yeah so block them. Right not to listen != right to stop everyone else from listening.
Sure, I’ll take the bait. It’s not at all an issue of his beliefs. Plenty of people on Lemmy think that we should vote for third parties, plenty of people on Lemmy think that… I don’t know, I blocked UM so long ago that I can’t even really remember what his beliefs were. I think he thought Biden was doing a bad job. I don’t think that is some weird heretic belief on Lemmy that will get you banned. Nothing he had to say was ever the issue.
If every time someone gets on the bus, they sit down next to random other passengers and start pestering them about Jesus, loudly and without fail, no matter how much the person clearly doesn’t want it, and then when multiple people tell them to stop, they start crying about religious discrimination, yell at the whole bus, say they won’t be silenced, show up the next day with a whole backpack full of pamphlets about the first amendment, concoct elaborate disguises to be able to sneak back on the bus once one bus driver finally has had enough and bans them, all the while setting up this incredibly loud consistent whining sound about how they’re being persecuted because of their Christianity, it was never about the Christianity.
You can be Christian on the bus. You can also be Jewish or Muslim. You can wear a headscarf, you can talk to your friends about Jesus, together on the bus. Likewise, you can be anti-Biden, or pro-Biden, or pro-socialist, or whatever you want to be, on Lemmy. When you become so incredibly obnoxious about your style of interaction that the entire community has agreed that you’re causing a problem, and then instead of being open to feedback and continuing to say what you think, but in a fashion that is productive and respectful of everyone else, you instead double down and say you won’t be silenced and send threatening DMs to your critics and start making a whole bunch of new accounts when you are banned from multiple places, it is time for you to go. Because you had your opportunity to tone it down and integrate within the social contract that makes the place function, and you explicitly and proudly chose not to.
Sure, I’ll take the bait. It’s not at all an issue of his beliefs…Nothing he had to say was ever the issue.
Ok so what is the issue cos op hasnt seemed to have addressed it.
If every time someone gets on the bus, they sit down next to random other passengers and start pestering them about Jesus, loudly and without fail, no matter how much the person clearly doesn’t want it, and then when multiple people tell them to stop, they start crying about religious discrimination, yell at the whole bus, say they won’t be silenced, show up the next day with a whole backpack full of pamphlets about the first amendment, concoct elaborate disguises to be able to sneak back on the bus once one bus driver finally has had enough and bans them, all the while setting up this incredibly loud consistent whining sound about how they’re being persecuted because of their Christianity, it was never about the Christianity.
I like ur metaphor it presents a very visceral image of a particular behaviour. Ur forgetting just 1 things lemmy has that a bus doesnt a magic button to make them disapear (the block button). Also nothing wrong with talking to anyone u want about anything u want thats how free speach works.
You can be Christian on the bus. You can also be Jewish or Muslim. You can wear a headscarf, you can talk to your friends about Jesus, together on the bus. Likewise, you can be anti-Biden, or pro-Biden, or pro-socialist, or whatever you want to be, on Lemmy.
U can also talk to anyone else u please about anything on this list or not on this list, it doesnt havr to be your friends.
When you become so incredibly obnoxious about your style of interaction that the entire community has agreed that you’re causing a problem,
Free speach requires that u allow people to be obnoxious, as long as ur not calling for actionable violence i say let em speak.
and then instead of being open to feedback and continuing to say what you think, but in a fashion that is productive and respectful of everyone else, you instead double down and say you won’t be silenced
Why should anyone be forced to change how they choose to express their beliefs. What if everyone in a neighbourhood decided that rainbow flags where obnoxious, that does not grant them the right to deny the gays there right to express their beliefs however the fuck they want. (So long as its not violent or callibg for actionable violence etc etc).
and send threatening DMs to your critics
If this is true which it quite probably could be then op should have started with this. Ill be in full support of instance bans if i can be shown verifyable proof this is true.
and start making a whole bunch of new accounts when you are banned from multiple places, it is time for you to go.
Thats how an open platform works good luck stopping it. Ie the technology of Activpub has made the capability to deny any individual their free speach impossible.
Because you had your opportunity to tone it down and integrate within the social contract that makes the place function, and you explicitly and proudly chose not to.
I hate the concept of the social contract. I was forced to sign it under duress (i didnt concent to being born etc etc). The politicians, the billionares, the dictators of the world, the thieves stealing food to survive, etc etc etc they have not integrated within the social contract. If there is no enforcement then why follow the rules?
I believe in a far simpler system that perfectly describes every system far better than the social contract. Darwinian evolution. Given that i would say its pretty arrogant to assert that following the social contract 100% of the time is always the most advantagious.
Well said, and great example.
Great example but flawed. There are no block buttons in real life their are on lemmy.
Very astute response!
So u want to silence someone for their beliefs.
Allowing people to spout whatever nonsense and cause harm to others is reckless at best, ignorant and insane at worst. I’m old but not old enough to have dementia.
Free speach does not mean u have a right to not be offended.
The argument of free speech so hollow, I’ve seen it used by right-wingers as a rallying cry when in reality free speech is free yes but simutaneously it does not mean free of consequences.
He’s in violation of our TOS and probably several others which reminds me @ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone you’ll want to see the last image with dumbass Zuck at the top
Don’t pretend to be surprised, this is Lemmy we’re talking about. It’s how they roll! Inclusion through exclusion or something.
Im not suprised id just believe we can help lemmy change to be more inclusive of all opinions. Makibg a truly open and free (as in freedom) network of communication.
