• Contravariant@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    You can pretend all you like the problem is that there have been leftist wack jobs that very much did exterminate people for political gain.

    Things would be so much easier if we could simply argue about ideology without anyone getting the ‘clever’ idea that you can simply exterminate everyone who disagrees and end up with a harmonious society of people all working towards the same ideal.

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      3 months ago

      Some ideals are so dangerous they need to be exterminated. If you can show me a method that does this while leaving the bigot alive, I would happily see it implemented.

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        3 months ago

        If you place killing an ideal beyond implementing your own you’re making exactly the same mistake.

        The best we’ve come up with is to try to ensure people are educated and well informed and only a majority can make certain decisions. Not all countries are doing too well on all 3 (heck the U.S. doesn’t even manage to ensure decisions require a majority) but if an ideal gets accepted under anything resembling those conditions then killing the bigots is no longer an option.

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            3 months ago

            Absolutely not.

            WWII was an excellent example of how some actions cannot be meet with peace.

            If you think you can suppress an ideal with violence, you have a poor grasp of the situation.

            One can respond to ideals that are bad by having a better, more effective way of life - one that addresses the underlying needs that those with bad ideals are trying to meet, and that has a path for them to join you.

            But if you simply suppress it, it will fester and grow.

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        3 months ago

        Education and human relation. Standing your ground in a conversation without getting combative. Being winning willing to fight if needed, but actively choosing not to when it’s not truly necessary.

        No, if you exterminate an ideal, you also lose the resistance to it and the generational cognizance of it. Instead, you let it survive, and teach people, by example, how to deal with it - not through suppression, but through response.

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          3 months ago

          You just admitted my clause:

          Being winning to fight of needed

          No, if you exterminate an ideal, you also lose the resistance to it and the generational cognizance of it.

          Yes, and it stops being relevant. Just like every dictatorial regime that has been put down.

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            3 months ago

            I did not “admit your clause”. Being willing to fight does not necessitate extermination.

            Although, perhaps you’re right, and I should adopt your ideology of ideological extermination, starting with your ideology.

            No, if you exterminate an ideal, you also lose the resistance to it and the generational cognizance of it.

            Yes, and it stops being relevant. Just like every dictatorial regime that has been put down.

            Oh, is that what you think happens? Go live it, then, and good luck with that.